911 yellow tang laying on bottom

[Bfragale]

So little back history:

I have all my fish in 55gal QT tank.
They went thru 30days copper power. (Actually alittle longer because I added a fish)

I started running carbon to remove copper power about a week ago.
Up until last night all fish looked great, and eating.

today I found one of the yellow tangs on the bottom breathing heavily. He is still alive. I notice tons of tiny black dots on him and the other fish.

I did a 5min freshwater dip and he’s still hanging in but sinks and can’t keep him set upright. But he still has some fight in him.

I JUST removed carbon and dosed the tank with API general cure, but is there any hope for the yellow tang?

i assume whatever this is is not affected by copper, and I’m hoping general cure may help. But I’m not 100% sure what it is. Maybe black ick?

I have a lot of things on hand: metroplex, Kanaplex, fish fenbenzol(spelling?), and another dose of general cure on hand. formalin and methalan blue as well and maybe some other stuff.

I really don’t want to loose this guy and now worried about the rest. Anything I can do to try to help him out?

Also for the rest: they all seem to have the black dots too but all are acting fine. What can I do to try to cure the rest

 

[jaganshi066]

Oh man I feel so bad for that guy and he’s so beautiful too. @Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081 any ideas?

 

[Bfragale]

Man I’m super bummed. He’s a super cool fish.

and I’m worried about the rest: fox face, another yellow, a purple, a scopus, a sail fin, a powder brown, 6line and file fish- they were all in qt together after ick got into main display. Display has been fallow since 5/20

these all went they about 45 days of copper until I added carbon last week.
Only changes: I turned off the little UV on Sunday. And yesterday for the first time fed selcon soaked frozen food. Last night they were all eating and swarming the nori. Everyone looked great.
Just super bummed.
He’s still fighting to stay alive - but just sinks and lands on his side.
Super sad to watch. Not sure what to do.

 

[RC Reefer 5184]

Looks like black ick. But I am not a expert. And it is a bad case. You will need help soon and a lot of luck. hope it works out.

 

[Monroereef]

Fresh water dip. Match the temp and Ph and dip her for 5 minutes or so.
Prazipro will work too for black ich

Good luck.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I dont see black ich which are typically turbella worms but rather what appears as a combination of flukes and velvet. Two concerns I have is that velvet must be treated quickly as it spreads quickly. The medication used must specifically say " treats Oodinum".
Other is, the fish is obviously distressed. A freshwater dip would help with any flukes and offer temporary relief for velvet, but can also stress the fish further.
This is generally not an overnight occurrence - When did you first start to notice this?

First recourse- Increase/add oxygen. Another med that would work and help is Ruby Rally pro, but it takes a couple of days to take effect.

Here are signs of velvet. See if any apply:

Some behaviors associated with a fish with velvet are :
- Scratching body against hard objects
- Fish is lethargic
- Loss of appetite and weight loss
- Rapid, labored breathing
- Fins clamped against the body
- rapid breathing and mucus around the gills

Fish with velvet will typically stay at the surface of the water, or remain in a position where a steady flow of water is present in the aquarium. As the disease progresses outwards from the gills, the cysts then become visible on the fins and body. Although these cysts may appear as tiny white dots the size of a grain of salt, like the first sign of Saltwater Ich or White Spot Disease, what sets Oodinium apart from other types of ich is that at this point the fish have the appearance of being coated with what looks like a whitish or tan to golden colored, velvet-like film, thus the name Velvet Disease.

If this applies:
Remove fish from main tank and give them a FW dip or bath and then place them into a QT with vigorous aeration provided. Treat the fish in the QT with a copper-based medication. Although many over-the-counter remedies contain the general name as ich or ick treatments, carefully read the box to be sure it is specifically designed to target "Oodinium".

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

So little back history:

I have all my fish in 55gal QT tank.
They went thru 30days copper power. (Actually alittle longer because I added a fish)

I started running carbon to remove copper power about a week ago.
Up until last night all fish looked great, and eating.

today I found one of the yellow tangs on the bottom breathing heavily. He is still alive. I notice tons of tiny black dots on him and the other fish.

I did a 5min freshwater dip and he’s still hanging in but sinks and can’t keep him set upright. But he still has some fight in him.

I JUST removed carbon and dosed the tank with API general cure, but is there any hope for the yellow tang?

i assume whatever this is is not affected by copper, and I’m hoping general cure may help. But I’m not 100% sure what it is. Maybe black ick?

I have a lot of things on hand: metroplex, Kanaplex, fish fenbenzol(spelling?), and another dose of general cure on hand. formalin and methalan blue as well and maybe some other stuff.

I really don’t want to loose this guy and now worried about the rest. Anything I can do to try to help him out?

Also for the rest: they all seem to have the black dots too but all are acting fine. What can I do to try to cure the rest

Did the spots look more distinctly black prior to the dip? Did it have black spots over the past few days or did they show up overnight?

It is highly unlikely to be velvet, since the fish are just coming off a 45 days copper treatment, but the rapid breathing isn't a primary symptom of black ich (tang turbellarians).

Jay

 

[jaganshi066]

If this happened directly after carbon was added could this somehow be poisoning?

 

[Bfragale]

I saw these little black dots last week- and when I researched I thought it was black ick. I read that with Copper Power and Prazi (general cure) you can get a bacterial bloom. I also read black ick is not a fast killer like ick or velvet. So my plan was run copper for a week and start general cure. But I’m hindsight I should have done it then I guess.

just to note- after I first saw the dots- they seemed to go away I’m after a few days. But I was still planning on general cure. I have time left on my 76 day fallow period so in my head I was not in a rush and didn’t realize this could harm them so fast.

I didn’t notice dots on anyone yesterday- but today both yellows, the purple and the powder brown seem to have it. The rest have no visable signs.
Idk. I’m just bummed. I’m not sure if it’s black ick or something else causing him to do this. I don’t think velvet but he’s just breathing heavy and can’t swim or stay upright.

I can try to take a viedo if it helps.

 

[Bfragale]

I do see 90% less black dots after FW dip. But still some. My thoughts was it may be like regular ick and infest the gills? Not sure if it acts the same or not. But no slime or pealing skin or anything to make me think velvet or brook but I really don’t know.

If it’s something else I have no idea what it could be. Just super bummed out atm.

 

[NowGlazeIT]

Those markings are consistent with velvet except for the coloration, could it be velvet scars/wounds?

 

[Bfragale]

If this happened directly after carbon was added could this somehow be poisoning?

it will be a week tomorrow with the carbon. I guess it could be- I’m using BRS Lignite Carbon. I took it out today. But everyone else is swimming around happily. I really don’t know but it is a possibility

 

[NowGlazeIT]

it will be a week tomorrow with the carbon. I guess it could be- I’m using BRS Lignite Carbon. I took it out today. But everyone else is swimming around happily. I really don’t know but it is a possibility

Did you rinse the carbon? Could it be carbon dust settling down on the poor guy?

 

[Bfragale]

Those markings are consistent with velvet except for the coloration, could it be velvet scars/wounds?

All of my fish were “used” fish lol. And most came with some ailments. This guy was in a ten gallon with a full grown fox face for months. When I got him. His fins were toren, he was super skinny, his color was almost white. I’ve had him and the fox face about 8-9 months and both look amazingly better. Color back, fins mostly healed, and started putting on weight. To me he’s still slightly skinny as I like fat fish, but really night and day since I got him. To me he seemed like a strong fish, but I’m sure there are scars and marks from the past. I just don’t have any history except from when I got him.

 

[Bfragale]

Did you rinse the carbon? Could it be carbon dust settling down on the poor guy?

Yeah it was rinsed, I’m pretty strict with the rinse because this carbon does seem pretty dusty but I really don’t think it’s carbon dust. But I guess anything is possiable. When I picked him up for FW dip, I lightly rubbed the dots in a small spot and they did not rub off. I don’t know if dust could stick like this, but I’m at a loss.

 

[NowGlazeIT]

All of my fish were “used” fish lol. And most came with some ailments. This guy was in a ten gallon with a full grown fox face for months. When I got him. His fins were toren, he was super skinny, his color was almost white. I’ve had him and the fox face about 8-9 months and both look amazingly better. Color back, fins mostly healed, and started putting on weight. To me he’s still slightly skinny as I like fat fish, but really night and day since I got him. To me he seemed like a strong fish, but I’m sure there are scars and marks from the past. I just don’t have any history except from when I got him.

My thought was maybe you beat velvet last weak and this is the healing process

 

[NowGlazeIT]

Yeah it was rinsed, I’m pretty strict with the rinse because this carbon does seem pretty dusty but I really don’t think it’s carbon dust. But I guess anything is possiable. When I picked him up for FW dip, I lightly rubbed the dots in a small spot and they did not rub off. I don’t know if dust could stick like this, but I’m at a loss.

Every bit of info helps rule things out

 

[jaganshi066]

I do see 90% less black dots after FW dip. But still some. My thoughts was it may be like regular ick and infest the gills? Not sure if it acts the same or not. But no slime or pealing skin or anything to make me think velvet or brook but I really don’t know.

If it’s something else I have no idea what it could be. Just super bummed out atm.

You treated them with copper for 45 days though, how can it be ich or velvet unless the copper wasn’t at the right dose?

 

[Tcook]

Seems like a long time in copper. Could it be HLLE or what hippo tangs develop if in copper too long. It wouldn't be the reason it was lying on its side though.

 

[Bfragale]

You treated them with copper for 45 days though, how can it be ich or velvet unless the copper wasn’t at the right dose?

I agree. I highly doubt it’s ick or velvet.
They went it QT 5/20/21 at 2.5 ppm per Hanna checker. I added the 6line wrasse and powder brown on 5/30/21 and started 30 days over.

On 7/2/21 I started running carbon to remove the copper. This is a slow process, so the plan was to start general cure this Friday- provided it tested copper free (or mostly) to avoid bacterial bloom.

but black ick isn’t affected by copper. And that’s what I believe it may be.