Acan Maxima!

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Just picked this up yesterday at my local fish store. I thought it was a little scolly but was told it was an Acan Maxima. Can anyone tell me anything about these? Whatever the name I love it! It's pretty cool and it looks like a mini scolly to me!:tongue:

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Why are people calling these mini scoly's?

Theres a different between Acan Maxima and Scolymia. The skeleton is different and they dont puff up no where near as much. Acan Maxima looks like a large Acan Lord head.
 
BlueWaterTropicals said:
Why are people calling these mini scoly's?

Theres a different between Acan Maxima and Scolymia. The skeleton is different and they dont puff up no where near as much. Acan Maxima looks like a large Acan Lord head.
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I have been told and read that what is called Acan Maxima is really Scolymia australis. Here is one of the many posts about the subject:
Will the real Acan Maxima please stand up?
 
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Those are two totally different corals. Acan Maxima only grows to about 2-2.5", where as the Scoly Australis can grow over 5".

That link says that they come from "exclusively from the Middle East?" <<<Notice the question mark there... They come from Indo-West Pacific, Meaning Australia, Indonesia etc etc.
 
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Acan Maxima is endemic to waters where there is no collection unless they are smuggled....Google Distribution of Acan Maxima and you will see they only happen in waters around Oman and the sea of Oman.....
 
Azurel said:
Acan Maxima is endemic to waters where there is no collection unless they are smuggled....Google Distribution of Acan Maxima and you will see they only happen in waters around Oman and the sea of Oman.....
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I didnt see any credible sources. Only posts on forums.

Here is a link from Integrated Taxonomic Information System , Notice at the bottom where it says"Geographic Division: Indo-West Pacific" and not the Gulf of Oman or anywhere else....
 
I can get these from my Indo supplier so i agree they can be found in indo waters
 
corals of the world by jen vernon is a credible source and his book notes that only from the sea of oman is where a true acan max can be found.
morphs do happen all the time (due to to many variables to mention) that these mini scolys, acan max, or baby lobo will remain unidentified until someone educated tears some of these apart and can tell us what they are exactly. i say that until then we all start calling them an UNIDENTIFIED BRAIN/ACAN/SCOLY
 
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http://data.aims.gov.au/coralpages/html/901-1000/Species pages/911.htm

If you look according to Aims and the distribution map they do not and never have been found or been collected out side of the see of Oman and only have been found as far as Kuwait.....If you research the strangle hold the Prince of Oman has on what takes place in the waters in the sea of Oman then the only possiable way a true Acan Maxima can be found is black market(smuggled). There is no collection in those waters period.

Aims also uses Vernon as the source....
Not trying to argue but those are the facts.

Not ot mention it says they come in green, grey colors.....Live Aquaria get's them as well and post them as Scolymia Australis....
 
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Two websites put out by two different governments saying two different things....

AIMS also references Sheppard and Salm
 
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James we are friends, condor I don't know you at all...........but I find it entertaining that two hobbyist continue to argue with professionals who do this as their livelyhood on a daily basis. Basically your just believing everything you read and nothing else is being taken into account. I guess ALL vendors on every forum, all transhipper, all coral brokers world wide and all coral collectors, inspectors and packagers are ignorant liars according to you TWO. You know for a fact there is no collection in the waters of Oman....period? You've been there?

I think they should be called what they are called period. And everyone should drop this annoying topic and move on. Until at least someone can definitively say, based on personal research with facts it is not, and not a self proclaimed expert. I will continue to call them Maximas as that is what is on every Vendors list world wide and I would tend to believe the professional who are in the "know" than just a couple hobbyist.

Sorry if this offends anyone, and or I did a poor job of expressing my opinion or views. But this topic is just ridiculous.
 
Rob, the use of "Acan maxima" is a marketing scheme, its similar to how "Japanese" is used. IME a lot of hobbyist know more than some vendors. I am not saying that is the case here, however I wouldn't count that out. I personally don't believe that is an Acan maxima, but hey what do I know I am only a hobbyist.
 
It not believing everything I read dude it's called science done by professionals who do the research in the field....I don't care what some wholesaler sells them as as we all know they are about $$$$$$ right and trans shippers too. What do you think some of this stuff cost what it does do you not think they don't know what they can charge vendors to make top dollar for themselves and if they have to fudge well the ends justifies the means because they are all stand up people, and there is no chance what so ever of dishonesty from them but take "their" word . Honestly I could care less what you think, but calling them by something they are not isn't right when CITES, GBIF, AIMS and others that are plotting the species of the planet all say the sea of Oman and Kuwait and we're supposed to take the word of wholesalers that sell the stuff to people we trust(vendors). The only way to get to the truth is by sharing information. Professionals as what? The wholesalers and trans shippers that an honest vendor that orders from trans shippers and wholesalers and we all know the misrepresentations that there has been in the past. I'm not saying the vendors are lying not once has that come out of my mouth so don't try and put words in it. If the wholesalers are lying or (misinformed which is possiable as well) to the vendors they are selling this stuff to isn't right either and they should call them on it, dishonesty isn't right no matter how you swing it and these vendors are the first victim and the lie or misinformation goes down the chain with no correction. One of the problems that has gotten this hobby into trouble with the environmentalist and governments is collection, shipping of corals under the wrong name toget it through check points cause the people that are doing the checking can't possibly I.D. everything that comes in especially in SPS.
http://data.gbif.org/species/14582073/

Honestly you can call them what the heck you like I could care less that isn't the point........I don't need to go there look it up do some research,you talk about I believe what I read take a look in the mirror dude I am doing the research based in scientific papers done by scientist and I am supposed to take the words of some collector and wholesaler over them? Also International government regulations, not to mention there are no CITES quotas for Oman in 2010 , could they be collected off of Kuwait? Yes but that isn't Indo-Pacific is it? And I can't find CITES quotas for corals for 2010......Could it be misinformation yes, could it be the vendors are being hoodwinked yes, I don't care to see them get misinformation and/or lied to either. They are the ones we deal with and we as hobbyist need to protect them from dishonesty or misinformation if we can. Liveaquaria Divers Den gets them as well and guess what they call them? But that could be me just believing in everything I read too right?

I'm done with it believe in what you want it don't matter to me but I plan on getting some of these to see what they are all about since they are beautiful corals and in the end that is what really matters
 
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ianiwane said:
Rob, the use of "Acan maxima" is a marketing scheme, its similar to how "Japanese" is used. IME a lot of hobbyist know more than some vendors. I am not saying that is the case here, however I wouldn't count that out. I personally don't believe that is an Acan maxima, but hey what do I know I am only a hobbyist.
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Ian not trying to discredit the hobbyist as some are very intelligent and educated people. I just think the argument is stupid because no one can definitively say it is or is not and for people to so say it is not or "mini scolly period" with such conviction is silly.

I have great respect for all.....or well most of all members here on R2R as being very knowledgeable reefers, thats why I come here!
 
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