AliE LED bar vs. T5

[Hooz]

Right... i'm talking to the seller right now, maybe I should ask what lenses he has available to change them out for my current mounting height (I think its 8 or 9 inches since I use the AMS mount, I was thinking of doing something similar to this:

The 120 degree lenses would be the closest match to a stock Radion. If you mount them like you pictured, I'd probably make the front bar articulate a bit so you can aim it towards the back a little. It'd help reduce spill and glare from the front of the tank.

 

[telegraham]

I've been hitting it hard on my LuxEngine LEDs for more than 3 years now, we just didn't have the catchy name until 6 months ago!

Well, PUR, but I suppose the alliteration does add some marketing fancy, eh?

@luxdium knows what's up. Most don't get it.

 

[telegraham]

I don't have one so can't measure but there are a couple reports. Watch innapropriate reefer's videos on the AliE bars, he measures par on his tank with and without the light.

For what it's worth, remember that Mok-Yi has custom 450/470nm-ish bars.

 

[bryznsreef]

I got about 100-120 par through out the tank with the below setup. Tank dimensions 24" x 16".

AliE LED bar vs. T5

This thread led me (no pun) to discover luca, quanta bars, and telegraham on youtube. Thanks for the 2 day deep dive of led bar knowledge. I did email luca wondering if the quantum bars could be dimmable and his reply was golden.. such a perfect bar imo just hate that you can't dim them. I...

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I saw your exact setup and copied it except for only running one bar so I bought a smaller hybrid mount to attach onto the two radions I had but it was kinda sus with the weight on the xr30's however I have 3x more confidence in the rms mounts compared to the ai mounts I had on my old tank. I think I saw a comment on here saying that the bigger bar 48 or so gets less output compared to the 24 bar but I cant say because I dont have both

 

[telegraham]

Hey just saw this thread, picked a bar up a few weeks ago. Does anyone know how much par the bars give off? I have the 4 foot bar and dont have access to a par meter to do readings I just dimmed my g5 xr30's down and observing my corals

No need to guess, and never wonder - https://a.co/d/cSuFokK This meter works well, is within just a couple percent of an Apogee, and is my local loaner PAR meter.

 

[bryznsreef]

No need to guess, and never wonder - https://a.co/d/cSuFokK This meter works well, is within just a couple percent of an Apogee, and is my local loaner PAR meter.

Thanks I will look into that one I appreciate the link

 

[Acros]

I saw your exact setup and copied it except for only running one bar so I bought a smaller hybrid mount to attach onto the two radions I had but it was kinda sus with the weight on the xr30's however I have 3x more confidence in the rms mounts compared to the ai mounts I had on my old tank. I think I saw a comment on here saying that the bigger bar 48 or so gets less output compared to the 24 bar but I cant say because I dont have both

Radion mounts annoyingly sag even with a single XR15. I am working with another r2r member to 3D print a shim that will level the light. I have decent result with the shims so far.

Here is a pic of my XR30 with the new shims.

 

[MarcosTacos]

Radion mounts annoyingly sag even with a single XR15. I am working with another r2r member to 3D print a shim that will level the light. I have decent result with the shims so far.

Here is a pic of my XR30 with the new shims.

I also noticed that sagging behavior, do you have a picture of how you install the shim? I might design one to try with my 3d printer (just ordered a bambu p1s to replace my ender 3, should arrive this week or the next!!!)

 

[bryznsreef]

That is awesome! yeah there is some sagging to it for sure but im not even sure which part that is on the mounts i have to look later haha, have you tried this with a xr30 by any chance?

 

[Acros]

I also noticed that sagging behavior, do you have a picture of how you install the shim? I might design one to try with my 3d printer (just ordered a bambu p1s to replace my ender 3, should arrive this week or the next!!!)

I worked with @BrettE to print these shims. Here is a thread discussing the shims. https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/3d-printed-ecotech-rms-shim.982625/

 

[telegraham]

For future people, the Kessil A-Series mounting arm works way better than Radion mounts. A single fastener does the trick, and no sagging. Height adjustment, too.

 

[bishoptf]

For what it's worth, remember that Mok-Yi has custom 450/470nm-ish bars.

Where can you find his led bars?

These are the ones I have ordered as secondary to some nicrew - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256...lgo_pvid=6ab31d97-0ed1-4504-80cd-b0cac77b6140

They have these leds in them 450nm , 470nm, 430nm, 410nm. Doesn't give a count for each frequency and looks like you suggest just going with 2 frequencies vs 3 so I guess we will see what they look like when they get here.

 

[telegraham]

Where can you find his led bars?

These are the ones I have ordered as secondary to some nicrew - https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805646932874.html?spm=a2g0n.productlist.0.0.554e452f54wqBf&browser_id=c53f129272e44ddbb71e23a640d60be3&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=sqiihnxynuycaaeg18ca320db70492a37a25b3032f&pdp_npi=4@dis!USD!60.00!46.2!!!60.00!!@2101f49617035438887326212e791e!12000034515659443!sea!US!0!AB&algo_pvid=6ab31d97-0ed1-4504-80cd-b0cac77b6140

They have these leds in them 450nm , 470nm, 430nm, 410nm. Doesn't give a count for each frequency and looks like you suggest just going with 2 frequencies vs 3 so I guess we will see what they look like when they get here.

Custom. Contact this seller and they'll make you the bars you need. https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0DJ0mC

 

[bishoptf]

Custom. Contact this seller and they'll make you the bars you need. https://a.aliexpress.com/_m0DJ0mC

Thanks, what would you suggest for a blue/uv bar to compliment and fill in the lower end of the spectrum when paired with a nicrew Hyperreef led?

 

[oreo54]

Thanks, what would you suggest for a blue/uv bar to compliment and fill in the lower end of the spectrum when paired with a nicrew Hyperreef led?

Just to fill the left side of the hr which peaks around 455-ish?
If the spectrum is correct adding something as simple as say 430:410 2:1.
Want to play the UV game say 400:410:430 1:1:2
Or skip the 410.
Of course each "color" will have it's own efficiency thus throwing off any way of actually balancing anything.
Just leaves sort of a best guess..

If you buy this action spectrum of one coral and one algae you see it peaks around 430 and diminishes in the 400 range.
Still effective but now in the same range as say cyan or green.
Of course there is always the discussion on the left side of 430 creating more "sunscreen" pigments than say boosting the right side (around cyan)
Then there is which band stimulates which florescent protein the best and also does not "glare" it out.

my less than 2 cents worth.

 

[bishoptf]

Just to fill the left side of the hr which peaks around 455-ish?
If the spectrum is correct adding something as simple as say 430:410 2:1.
Want to play the UV game say 400:410:430 1:1:2
Or skip the 410.
Of course each "color" will have it's own efficiency thus throwing off any way of actually balancing anything.
Just leaves sort of a best guess..

If you buy this action spectrum of one coral and one algae you see it peaks around 430 and diminishes in the 400 range.
Still effective but now in the same range as say cyan or green.
Of course there is always the discussion on the left side of 430 creating more "sunscreen" pigments than say boosting the right side (around cyan)
Then there is which band stimulates which florescent protein the best and also does not "glare" it out.

my less than 2 cents worth.

Thanks, my problem is I have a long tank and the nicrews really do not work well for the wider tanks so I want to add a bar or two so I can cover the whole tank and maybe increase the blue coverage. I have some coming in that I order already that have 450nm , 470nm, 430nm, 410nm but they do not say what the number of each are but I guess we will see when they come in.

 

[telegraham]

Thanks, my problem is I have a long tank and the nicrews really do not work well for the wider tanks so I want to add a bar or two so I can cover the whole tank and maybe increase the blue coverage. I have some coming in that I order already that have 450nm , 470nm, 430nm, 410nm but they do not say what the number of each are but I guess we will see when they come in.

Will be interesting to see what you get.

As for your original question, and avoiding marketing assumptions, this is the actual spectrum of the Hyperreef 100 when running something similar to AB+. I have the Nicrew here, and can provide data based on how you run the light.

It has a fairly deep spectrum, so what I think I would do is use 415/430/470 in a repeating pattern. This can be done at home in your oven, but you'd have to be comfortable doing such things.

 

[bishoptf]

Will be interesting to see what you get.

As for your original question, and avoiding marketing assumptions, this is the actual spectrum of the Hyperreef 100 when running something similar to AB+. I have the Nicrew here, and can provide data based on how you run the light.

It has a fairly deep spectrum, so what I think I would do is use 415/430/470 in a repeating pattern. This can be done at home in your oven, but you'd have to be comfortable doing such things.

Yeah you probably do not remember but I am the one that heavily modified my viparspectas. Still running that on one of tanks and love the look, modified the white channel with more blue LEDs and added a diffuser. It has a lot of pop and so far unable to match that with the nicrews. I don't like running a Windex looking tank, I prefer a whiter look but still like some pop. I need to go dig up what colors I used and see if I can duplicate since I like that little look.

When you say you tested with a setting similar to ab+ what are those settings. I cannot pin the blues to 100 since in my shallow tanks it produces to much par. I run mine with a reef-pi so I can control the blue and white percentages, right now I am running at peak blue 65 and white 18, but again not getting much pop from that like my customer vipar.

Here is the layout that I did for my vipar - https://www.humble.fish/community/i...iparspectras-because-why-not.9656/post-199241

This is what I added removed:

*Add 6 470nm
*Add 9 435/440nm
*Add 5 395/400/405nm
*Remove 1 450nm
*Remove 20 65k/12k

Not sure which ones give me the look I like but things really pop now

 

[telegraham]

When you say you tested with a setting similar to ab+ what are those settings.

Full blue, down two whites. That make sense?

 

[bishoptf]

Full blue, down two whites. That make sense?

Yup, with nicrews that setting should be pretty white.

Here are the stock settings for nicrew
5%,20%,40%,60%80%,100%

I think you are saying 100%blue and 60%white.

I'm running even less whites at my setting but they just do not have a lot of pop.