Amphipod eating BTA!!!

[SashimiTurtle]

Essentially I'm trying to make a connection in my brain which would link velvet to feeding "fresh" foods, to possibly prolong the fallow period because you're reintroducing a host depending on the type of velvet. I may need to call in the Dr. on this one, but I want to check a few things first.

You think velvet could survive being frozen? I can't remember, but I think I used RO water to help blend the food, but I'm not entirely sure that absolutely no tank water got mixed in. If so... that would explain it's reappearance in my tank.

 

[Amoo]

No, but I do think it may be possible that if you are adding bits of processed fish to the tank during the fallow the dinos could have itself a host and extend your fallow period.

Ok I just wanted to see if we were looking at ich or velvet and yours was obvious, good work and sorry about your eel .

So what we need to know are two things:

1. Can the dinos possibly have latched onto the frozen mixture you were putting into your DT to feed your nem and restarted the life cycle?

2. Is it out of the realm of possibility that since velvet are Dinos they can actually be hosted by the Nem itself and the presence of the Nem in your display tank will prevent you from eradicating the disease from your DT?

@Humblefish

I'm stumped.

I would also just guess the only reason your are keeping your DT lights on is because of the Nem, which can feed the velvet to begin with. What I'm getting at is I'm wondering if it has to come out or you just need to stop feeding.

 

[Amoo]

So yeah the round about happening in my head was how do we get the fish back in the tank as quickly as possible to get the pod population back down, but that kind of took a left turn to do we need to actually remove the Nem and QT him separate....sigh. I hate disease stuff, hence why I stick to this forum

 

[SashimiTurtle]

I would also just guess the only reason your are keeping your DT lights on is because of the Nem, which can feed the velvet to begin with. What I'm getting at is I'm wondering if it has to come out or you just need to stop feeding.

DT lights are still on for the nem and I also have one small pally colony of about ten heads and I have 4 rhodactis in the tank. No LPS or SPS as I do not dose or really monitor Ca, Alk or Mag very closely in this tank. Just water changes every few weeks with Red sea blue bucket.

 

[SashimiTurtle]

So yeah the round about happening in my head was how do we get the fish back in the tank as quickly as possible to get the pod population back down, but that kind of took a left turn to do we need to actually remove the Nem and QT him separate....sigh. I hate disease stuff, hence why I stick to this forum

I knew where you were going.
FWIW, my clowns nor my six line ever showed signs of velvet. I know I can't just dump them back in the DT with the disease still in there, but I know the six line was keeping those amphipods in check. I'd love for all my fish to be back in the DT, trust me.

 

[Amoo]

Yeah I just find it really weird that you went the full 6 weeks fallow and put all of your fish through copper on a parasite with a 41 day life cycle and weren't able to successfully reintroduce your fish. I know confidence factor...etc can lead that out to like 100+ days etc, but something just seems off. Either way you may be best off to stick your nem and other softies in your spare QT, I'll be curious what HF has to say.

 

[SashimiTurtle]

Yeah I just find it really weird that you went the full 6 weeks fallow and put all of your fish through copper on a parasite with a 41 day life cycle and weren't able to successfully reintroduce your fish. I know confidence factor...etc can lead that out to like 100+ days etc, but something just seems off. Either way you may be best off to stick your nem and other softies in your spare QT, I'll be curious what HF has to say.

I could put them in the 10g, not like they take up room. I'd have to move one of my lights over there and I'll need another powerhead... then I could turn the remaining light off on the DT to prevent the velvet from getting any benefit from photosynthesis.

Right now I'm at about 2 weeks in on my second fallow. Can't remember exact date now, it's been so long since I had fish in my DT... I know the original fallow started July 1st. At least my QT is very well cycled and my fish are used to being in there...

 

[SashimiTurtle]

After spending the night in the tub...

 

[Bonfish]

You may also want to check your parameters too. Just to rule out that possibility. It could be coincidence that the anemone is bothered by the amphipods. With 10k species I would hope these particular amphipods are not parasitic.

 

[Humblefish]

1. Can the dinos possibly have latched onto the frozen mixture you were putting into your DT to feed your nem and restarted the life cycle?

Freezing for 24 hrs kills all parasites in all stages of their lifecycle.

2. Is it out of the realm of possibility that since velvet are Dinos they can actually be hosted by the Nem itself and the presence of the Nem in your display tank will prevent you from eradicating the disease from your DT?

Tomonts cannot encyst upon soft tissue like a nem. However, it is theoretically possible for a free swimmer to be on/inside an anemone since they absorb so much water. (Assuming the nem came from an infected system.) But any velvet dinospores would die within 15 days without a fish host present to feed upon.

 

[Amoo]

Freezing for 24 hrs kills all parasites in all stages of their lifecycle.



Tomonts cannot encyst upon soft tissue like a nem. However, it is theoretically possible for a free swimmer to be on/inside an anemone since they absorb so much water. (Assuming the nem came from an infected system.) But any velvet dinospores would die within 15 days without a fish host present to feed upon.

I was not suggesting the dinos could live in the frozen food, what I was asking was if he is blending fresh fish and what not, freezing it, then thawing it, then putting it in the tank for the nem, does that now thawed and tank temperature blended fish present a feeding opportunity for the dino?

 

[Humblefish]

I was not suggesting the dinos could live in the frozen food, what I was asking was if he is blending fresh fish and what not, freezing it, then thawing it, then putting it in the tank for the nem, does that now thawed and tank temperature blended fish present a feeding opportunity for the dino?

Ahh, I see what you mean now...

That's a very interesting question; I honestly don't know the answer for sure. However, since trophonts (including velvet) can continue feeding upon a dead fish, I would probably avoid anything "fishy" whilst going fallow.

@melypr1985 We're going to have to give all these frozen blends (like Rod's, LRS) a look to see if they contain any fish products. Which I'm almost certain they do. This could explain some of the fallow failures we have been seeing.

 

[SashimiTurtle]

Ahh, I see what you mean now...

That's a very interesting question; I honestly don't know the answer for sure. However, since trophonts (including velvet) can continue feeding upon a dead fish, I would probably avoid anything "fishy" whilst going fallow.

@melypr1985 We're going to have to give all these frozen blends (like Rod's, LRS) a look to see if they contain any fish products. Which I'm almost certain they do. This could explain some of the fallow failures we have been seeing.

My frozen is home made. It was all obtained from a fresh sea food counter. It contains a cod fillet, scallops, shrimp and oysters. All were blended with RODI, some into mush and some left chunky, placed in a Ziploc and massed flat to form a sheet then frozen. It most deffinatly has fishy bits in it. I took it out to get a photo, but realized the bag wasn't shut all the way and it's now freezer burnt. So in the trash it goes. Yes I wrote Phish Phood

 

[SashimiTurtle]

I ended up acclimating and moving my nem into my nano tank. Few copepods but no amphipods in there. Not much of anything in there except a pom pom crab and a handfull of SPS. It moved into a slightly shaded nook in the rock, I'm sure to adjust to the light. I set it to an acclamation period too be sure and not nuke it.

 

[Humblefish]

It contains a cod fillet, scallops, shrimp and oysters.

Just to be clear, everything was fine except for the cod fish. And I'm doing more research to try and confirm whether or not it is actually a problem in a fallow DT.

 

[cj in sac ca]

I had a massive pod outbreak in my jbj 45. Big pods like you showed as well as small and medium of different types. Never had an issue with the eating my zoas plays. Or nems " power head did that for me lol"
My fish where extremely happy and my corals seemed to be good with no issues. Gonna follow this thread good luck

 

[Amoo]

Wait you moved the nem to the nano? How long ago was your last feeding? Don't forget nems are full of water and if there were any live dinos in your tank within the last 14 days you may have just transferred velvet right into your nano!

 

[Amoo]

Just to be clear, everything was fine except for the cod fish. And I'm doing more research to try and confirm whether or not it is actually a problem in a fallow DT.

Humble, I'm curious if in a broken down state the dinos care if it's fish or shrimp...etc? I would think fleshy-meaty is fleshy-meaty. I think we KNOW the fish may be a problem, but how are you able to quickly eliminate the shrimp and other grindy bits?

Also FWIW I'm not trying to bust your balloons here, just trying to help AND understand better for myself.

 

[SashimiTurtle]

Wait you moved the nem to the nano? How long ago was your last feeding? Don't forget nems are full of water and if there were any live dinos in your tank within the last 14 days you may have just transferred velvet right into your nano!

Yes I am aware. There are no fish in there. Only three astrea snails, 3 nassarius snails, a pom pom crab without any pom poms and I had a squat lobster but I haven't seen it in a while. I don't see the pom pom crab much either. I'm not planning on adding any fish until after at least mid October...

Last feeding was umm, a week and a half ago, there about.

The nano was started up to house a 1" coral beauty baby that my female clown tried to kill. Until it outgrew that tank at least and could defend itself against the clownfish. A short time after I cycled the nano and moved the coral beauty over from the DIY 2 liter bottle acclimation cage, I saw the start of velvet, and lost that fish in less than 24 hours. Mel and Humble helped me in that thread as well as the one I posted earlier. Right after that is when it reared it's ugly head in my 75 as well. I'm not exactly which fish brought it into my system initially, but I have a QT system in place now and I'm prepared to treat for the present fish, and any future fish that I may acquire.

 

[Amoo]

oh man, you scared the crud out of me. I saw you popping in and out of different threads last night but never responding to this one, I thought maybe the alert got buried and you missed it. Thank goodness it's a no swim zone as well atm.

wait, that sounds really bad. Um....I think you know what I mean though. Sigh I suck at this whole sympathetic thing.