Anyone tried this new tank transfer method?

[Tower]

Hey guys,

I'd really appreciate your experience of this if you have tried it. As follows

Day 1 – fish in tank
Day 2 – 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 – 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 – 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 – 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 – 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 – 6th transfer at 71 hours

Reportedly proven to stop both velvet and ich. No copper or hydrogen peroxide used.

 

[Quietman]

You're saying that moving fish from old tank to new tank over days/hour schedule will stop diseases and parasites?

 

[Tower]

You're saying that moving fish from old tank to new tank over days/hour schedule will stop diseases and parasites?

Hi mate,

The above schedule is a quarantine method called the tank transfer method which makes use of two quarantine tanks that are seperate from your main display. It is proven to kill ich. Under normal circumstances a 'transfer' is done every 72 hours. The 'new' method calls for transfers initially at 36 hours which has seemingly also been proven to disrupt the life cycle of marine velvet.

I haven't tried it and am interested to hear from anyone who might have tried it.

 

[Quietman]

Ah...get it. Never heard of that before. Doesn't ich stay alive in cysts on the gills for weeks (or months)? I'd be anxious to hear too, but very skeptical without some reasonable explanation behind it.

 

[Tower]

Under normal conditions the parasite will feed on the fish for anywhere between 3 to 9 days before dropping off. It then incubates on the substrate before releasing potentially thousands more to attack your fish. Transferring the fish and sterilising the tank disrupts the cycle.

 

[McCarrick]

Ah...get it. Never heard of that before. Doesn't ich stay alive in cysts on the gills for weeks (or months)? I'd be anxious to hear too, but very skeptical without some reasonable explanation behind it.

Tank Transfer Method

Tank Transfer Method What It Treats – Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) only. How To Treat – Tank transfer (TTM) is my favorite method for clearing a fish of Marine Ich, but the prevalence (and similarities) of Marine Velvet Disease can make TTM a risky gamble nowadays. To properly execute...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Tower]

Tank Transfer Method

Tank Transfer Method What It Treats – Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans) only. How To Treat – Tank transfer (TTM) is my favorite method for clearing a fish of Marine Ich, but the prevalence (and similarities) of Marine Velvet Disease can make TTM a risky gamble nowadays. To properly execute...

www.reef2reef.com

Hi @McCarrick

The new method also treats velvet

Tank Transfer Method (all versions)

The table and video below are meant to show/explain the differences between the 3 different versions of Tank Transfer Method. If you are completely unfamiliar with TTM, please read more detailed information found in the links below: Standard TTM Velvet TTM Hybrid TTM How to perform a H2O2...

humble.fish

 

[Quietman]

Ah...get it. Never heard of that before. Doesn't ich stay alive in cysts on the gills for weeks (or months)? I'd be anxious to hear too, but very skeptical without some reasonable explanation behind it.

Ok...didn't realize the 13 day was a maximum. Have heard under right conditions they can last longer than that on a fish. Good to know.

 

[ReefBeta]

Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites, https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/hybrid-ttm-to-treat-all-parasites.87/

This method will work better, and easier.

 

[Tower]

Ok...didn't realize the 13 day was a maximum. Have heard under right conditions they can last longer than that on a fish. Good to know.

There is some truth to what you've heard - in colder temperatures they can remain burrowed in the fish for weeks if not months. Not an issue for us at marine temperatures though.

 

[Tower]

Hybrid TTM to treat all parasites, https://humble.fish/community/index.php?threads/hybrid-ttm-to-treat-all-parasites.87/

This method will work better, and easier.

Hi @ReefBeta

Yes, I spotted that. Having read through all the posts in the thread at Humble Fish's forum, sadly there is evidence that some fish did not survive the hydrogen peroxide dip, hence looking into the alternate new method.

 

[ReefBeta]

Hi @ReefBeta

Yes, I spotted that. Having read through all the posts in the thread at Humble Fish's forum, sadly there is evidence that some fish did not survive the hydrogen peroxide dip, hence looking into the alternate new method.

Oh, I haven't go through the whole thread. What fish didn't make it? What fish you're treating?

 

[Quietman]

There is some truth to what you've heard - in colder temperatures they can remain burrowed in the fish for weeks if not months. Not an issue for us at marine temperatures though.H

Hmmm....I don't like treatment quarantine - feels it's way too stressful and reduces natural immunity once exposed to tank/other fish. Always been observational (treat only if needed) quarantine proponent. This sounds like a reasonable middle ground...no harsh treatment yet still adds a protection. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

 

[Tower]

Oh, I haven't go through the whole thread. What fish didn't make it? What fish you're treating?

A number of wrasse. There's a video if you can bring yourself to wade through it.

Initially, I'll be starting with a pair of Picasso clowns. Then moving onto a variety of other species.

 

[BurtMacklin]

I'm on day 1 of this protocol with two Benggai Cardinals right now and planning to dose Prazi at day 3 & 9 (24 hrs before a transfer). People have recommended keeping the fish in a QT for observation for an additional two weeks after QT, but that used to be in part to monitor for Velvet. I know there are other bacterial infections that this TTM will not cover, but is the 2 week observation really necessary?

 

[RobB'z Reef]

Hey guys,

I'd really appreciate your experience of this if you have tried it. As follows

Day 1 – fish in tank
Day 2 – 1st transfer at 36 hours
Day 4 – 2nd transfer at 36 hours
Day 5 – 3rd transfer at 36 hours
Day 7 – 4th transfer at 36 hours
Day 10 – 5th transfer at 71 hours
Day 13 – 6th transfer at 71 hours

Reportedly proven to stop both velvet and ich. No copper or hydrogen peroxide used.

I just finished a run with this last week. I did use H2O2 between day 1 and 2 and then between 5 and 7. I proactively dosed Prazi thru the last two phases (6 days total). It's really recommended to use H2O2 as the benefits are shown to work and there really isn't any negative effects on the fish. Prazi is totally optional and not for treating ich or velvet of course. I found the experience to be very educational and consider it a success for my first attempt. I'll be running another batch of fish through in late March. I ran a yellow tang, 3 bangi cardinals, a pajama cardinal and a lawn mower Blenny.

 

[RobB'z Reef]

I'm on day 1 of this protocol with two Benggai Cardinals right now and planning to dose Prazi at day 3 & 9 (24 hrs before a transfer). People have recommended keeping the fish in a QT for observation for an additional two weeks after QT, but that used to be in part to monitor for Velvet. I know there are other bacterial infections that this TTM will not cover, but is the 2 week observation really necessary?

I think it's a good nod towards risk tolerance. It's probably prudent, but necessary may be a strong term.

 

[1guydude]

I dont think this is new...
I think the reason people use copper tanks over clean wc tanks is the maintence and having to make all that sw.
My opinion.
D

 

[RobB'z Reef]

I dont think this is new...
I think the reason people use copper tanks over clean wc tanks is the maintence and having to make all that sw.
My opinion.
D

I agree, both methods have their pros and cons for sure! Just have to pick what speaks to you. The hybrid approach is fairly new though, not TTM itself. I minimize the amount of water by using fairly small containers and used cheap IO to save $$.

 

[BurtMacklin]

I agree, both methods have their pros and cons for sure! Just have to pick what speaks to you. The hybrid approach is fairly new though, not TTM itself. I minimize the amount of water by using fairly small containers and used cheap IO to save $$.

I agree. I'm doing a TTM this time, but then I'm probably going to set one up with a seeded sponge from my DT to QT with copper and use the the other for an invert 76 day QT. I like how fast I can QT with TTM, but it is a lot more work.

And to your point earlier Rob, I get that it's all about risk management, but technically the TTM could be done in even fewer days. I may just be a bit more risk tolerant.