Anyone with knowledge of collecting fish from ocean?

[BZOFIQ]

I believe it is ok to locally collect some fish it would depend on the species being collected .
Shipping would require permits and even if a particular fish is on a endangered list wouldn’t be allowed !

collecting for personal purposes implies to food .
I believe there might be regulations about net catching any species for shipping , even if only catching , if they were being sold for profit would be a issue

let’s think of it like this .
if they can’t control what we make money on by taxing it , they make it illegal

@Rmckoy

Nothing is implied here, please read the link from the official website listed in post #8

 

[SlugSnorter]

People have been buyin fish online for a long time. Here and there a package is delayed, destroyed, goes missing, gets discarded in a ditch, etc, etc.

This has not stopped people from buying and shipping their fish. Contrary, online shopping has increased and lots of LFS have closed down.

Not to mention that the fish are shipped from where they were born to begin with - be it wild-caught or aquacultured.

A majority of sellers have DOA rules, you can get a refund or a new fish for basically or completely free, you have no DOA protection when shipping yourself, nor do you likely have the experience or infrastructure to better ensure proper and fast shipping yourself. (not talking about you specifically, just in general).

 

[SlugSnorter]

ehhh.... theres a reason they did it, the reefs are not doing amazing RN to say the least. Im not super versed on how well its been applied, but in theory it is good to let fish populations have a chance to recover and reduce stress on the reefs

I believe it is ok to locally collect some fish it would depend on the species being collected .
Shipping would require permits and even if a particular fish is on a endangered list wouldn’t be allowed !

collecting for personal purposes implies to food .
I believe there might be regulations about net catching any species for shipping , even if only catching , if they were being sold for profit would be a issue

let’s think of it like this .
if they can’t control what we make money on by taxing it , they make it illegal

 

[BZOFIQ]

A majority of sellers have DOA rules, you can get a refund or a new fish for basically or completely free, you have no DOA protection when shipping yourself, nor do you likely have the experience or infrastructure to better ensure proper and fast shipping yourself. (not talking about you specifically, just in general).

Yes, but we are not discussing risks or cons and pros of ordering from a place vs shipping yourself.

Clearly, the risk of shipping falls on the shipper, one accepts these risks when doing the work themselves.

 

[SlugSnorter]

Yes, but we are not discussing risks or cons and pros of ordering from a place vs shipping yourself.

Clearly, the risk of shipping falls on the shipper, one accepts these risks when doing the work themselves.

thats why I said that people should buy from reputable sellers, preferably captive bred.

 

[BZOFIQ]

thats why I said that people should buy from reputable sellers, preferably captive bred.

That's one way but not everyone will agree and I have nothing against your stance on the topic personally.

If there is a need for new livestock I'd use ALL available options. I've bought retail/wholesale, online and offline, wild-caught and aquacultured (there is a huge increase of these lately at local Petco)

That said I was in Florida few times within past few years and I'm interested in collecting some stuff and bringing it with - yes its legal, just lots of limitations from FFWL, I checked.

 

[Eric Cohen]

Even if you could legally catch your own fish, if you were going to ship them, they would need to be held for at least 2 days so they couldn't eat anything before packing. Then you would need to have oxygen to put into the bag, and preferably have clean filtered water to pack with. Check with your States fish and game department for the rules in that area. Catching the fish is an entirely different subject.....that would be a fun discussion too!

 

[SteveMM62Reef]

When I was a teenager, I collected Saltwater fish in the Biscayne Bay, illegal now. It takes a lot of energy and finesse to collect fish. Two to Four of us had close to a dozen trips, before we got anything. Traps, were the best bet, followed by Slurp Guns. Hand Nets were close to useless. We did find out using lingerie bags, dyed with two colors of Rit Dye mixed ** and the Bag sewn on a frame worked best. They still would catch on the Coral Rock. Trying this in my early 40’s was futile, at best. Couldn’t even catch Saltwater Mollies. ** The Dye Mixtures made the Net invisible to the fish. I’ve lost the formula.

 

[reeftwincities]

Interesting thread -- I generally prefer captive bred fish, but it would be an adventure to collect your own. For example, I don't know the legality of keeping or transporting volitans in Florida at this point (I'm assuming it's very illegal), but I've always had the idea in my head that if I ever did a lionfish tank, I'd fly/drive my butt down to Florida and collect my own. You'd get the adventure + the knowledge you're removing an invasive fish as opposed to one naturally found in the area.

 

[jfoahs04]

If you’re in the Northeastern U.S., you can actually do this a few weeks every early fall (Late August, Early September). Thousands of tropical castaways from the Caribbean get caught in the gulf stream every summer and end up between Long Island and Cape Cod. There are a number of very good spots to catch them, and there are no restrictions on catching them (it’s actually encouraged as they’ll die when the water gets colder). There are some articles on the subject if you Google it. I caught a tiny spotted trunkfish about 10 years ago. Many of the tropical fish on display in the New England Aquarium in Boston are donations caught in Rhode Island and Southeastern Massachusetts. Obviously it’s not as great as actually being in the Caribbean or Hawaii, but it’s fun and there’s zero red tape.

 

[Chrisv.]

Here they mention we are allowed to collect for personal use. Even ship it, as long as regulation are perfectly followed.
Confused now.

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dlnr.hawaii.gov

You are right and the people who are saying you can't do this are wrong.

I won't go into it further on this thread, because frankly, this topic is always a race to the bottom.

Happy to DM.

 

[HB AL]

In the past I've collected fish that live in the temperate waters here in SoCal, leave the net at home. Depending on the size of the fish your after a barbless hook with a piece of muscle works perfect. You can either do it from above with a fishing rod or take a dive with a handline and hook. Works everytime for either salt or freshwater fish but I've also been a hardcore fisherman my whole life.

 

[Chrisv.]

In the past I've collected fish that live in the temperate waters here in SoCal, leave the net at home. Depending on the size of the fish your after a barbless hook with a piece of muscle works perfect. You can either do it from above with a fishing rod or take a dive with a handline and hook. Works everytime for either salt or freshwater fish but I've also been a hardcore fisherman my whole life.

I saw a guy catch a crosshatch on a YouTube fishing channel. He had no idea!!