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hey there @Anirban
well things have been holding pretty well at 15ml/day and provided the alkalinity doesn't change much i'd guess we are close to landing.
24 hours ago: Ca 435 Alk 8.32 Mg 1425
currently: Ca 425 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
as expected my sps really didn't appreciate this process and are still on edge unfortunately but i think it all gets better from here.
i'll be through my bottles of np pro and pro bio s which hasn't seemingly changed a lot in my system other than a very small amount of cyano bacteria showing up shortly after i started dosing them. my nitrate hovers at the 1ppm mark and my phosphate at 0.03-.10ppm do you suggest i continue on with those products ongoing?
also, my tank is in dire need of a water change. the gha is pretty bad and i suspect everything would benefit so should i just get back to you on the weekend to relay my numbers?
I will keep an eye on the Alk for at least this week.
Do a water change its always welcome. Before water change take out manually as much GHA as you can.
As far dosing NP Pro and Pro bio S concern I will keep dosing them at half of the recommended dose.
 
good day @Anirban... well not really :(
24 hours ago: Ca 425 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
currently: Ca 435 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
these measurements all follow a 10% water change that i did last night and while the numbers display stability it sure wreaks havoc on my sps. i don't really understand what the deal is but and for the 3rd water change in a row a few of the stoney corals that have been with me since this all started slowly fall off right after adding the replacement water. some lose color, some go stark white.
the other thing that is concerning to me is the hair algae issue which i will admit is out of control at this point. i have been manually removing what i can, feeding sparingly and running gfo and seeing no progress. i understand that the hair algae in the tank is trapping all my phosphates and because of that my numbers are reasonable when i test but i'm at a loss as to what i should do.
like many i came into the hobby with a poor understanding of live rock treatment and basically bought dry pukani, under my lfs's advice didn't acid bath or even cure it as they claim the organics would assist in cycling my tank. over a year later i am still fighting it and am reaching a point where i'm considering restarting this thing.
 
good day @Anirban... well not really :(
24 hours ago: Ca 425 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
currently: Ca 435 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
these measurements all follow a 10% water change that i did last night and while the numbers display stability it sure wreaks havoc on my sps. i don't really understand what the deal is but and for the 3rd water change in a row a few of the stoney corals that have been with me since this all started slowly fall off right after adding the replacement water. some lose color, some go stark white.
the other thing that is concerning to me is the hair algae issue which i will admit is out of control at this point. i have been manually removing what i can, feeding sparingly and running gfo and seeing no progress. i understand that the hair algae in the tank is trapping all my phosphates and because of that my numbers are reasonable when i test but i'm at a loss as to what i should do.
like many i came into the hobby with a poor understanding of live rock treatment and basically bought dry pukani, under my lfs's advice didn't acid bath or even cure it as they claim the organics would assist in cycling my tank. over a year later i am still fighting it and am reaching a point where i'm considering restarting this thing.
Dont you have clean up crew? You can try flucanozole for GHA and its pretty effective. But you also need to do some nutrient control. Dont feed anything to your coral no vitamin, no amino, no food nothing. Just feed the fish a little twice a day. Also putting SPS in a tank which is having hard time getting stabilised was a very bad idea. A lot of LFS are good for nothing and with those kind of advice even more than that. I will suggest dont restart instead try slowly to move through it. Start controlling nutrient and add fluconazole as per recommendation.
 
i'll just give you a breakdown to help you understand my frustration, much of this has already been identified to you but just to summarize...
i have upwards of 45 snails (astrea, turbo, cerith, nassarius) and until recently had emerald crabs but pulled them due to a fish getting maimed. the only things my tank has been fed in the past 2 months has been mysis or spiralina mysis and am down to 3/4 of a cube once daily for 10 fish that is always rinsed in a net with the dirty water removed.
i do not add anything as far as dosing supplements, vitamins, amino acids or coral foods. the np pro and probio s that we started about 3 weeks ago are the full extent of my additions to the tank aside from my dosing components.
my water change schedule is generally 10% weekly with the sandbed being vacuumed every other time. i skim with an aquamaxx q2 and take a full cup out every 2nd day.
i have always used RO water for my topoff and in an effort to improve that bought a RODI at around Jan 1st along with a TDS meter that is reading zero ppm. i generally run a cup of gfo which is basically replaced every 3 weeks as my cryptic nutrient values aren't very valuable as an indicator at this time.
if you remember when we first got working with my system it was perceived that i was running ULNS which was basically a result of my hair algae taking on all of my phosphates and i was instructed to feed more which i did for a few days but found was causing my phosphates to sit in the .15ppm and my nitrates to climb up to 10ppm.
i spend an inordinate amount of effort and time learning this hobby and with my tank so you can see my frustration as none of these concepts are overly confusing to me yet the result of my efforts leaves me with a tank that looks like i tend to it monthly.
 
none the less... i will go out today and purchase some flucanozole. the previous message is just to convey to you my husbandry techniques and any criticism is appreciated. i truly want to know if i'm missing something because i feel like i am skimpy on feeding and feel that if anything i run a very clean system yet have all the visual evidence of a neglected one.
 
Ok guys, I have a question.
What do I need to start out?

Bio S?
NP Pro liquid?

I have been trying to read through this but I just keep getting confused with so many people using different things.
I want to start with NP Pro, Bio S and maybe the AF salt mix. Would that be OK to start off with?
Then adding in the 1+, 2+ and 3+ a few weeks down the road?
Also, what is calcium dry?
 
none the less... i will go out today and purchase some flucanozole. the previous message is just to convey to you my husbandry techniques and any criticism is appreciated. i truly want to know if i'm missing something because i feel like i am skimpy on feeding and feel that if anything i run a very clean system yet have all the visual evidence of a neglected one.
The only criticism I have for you are ....
Never put SPS in an unstable system and never trust your LFS blindly.
Read this thread and start dosing it. It will wipe out GHA pretty fast.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bryopsis-cure-my-battle-with-bryopsis-using-fluconazole.285096/
 
Ok guys, I have a question.
What do I need to start out?

Bio S?
NP Pro liquid?

I have been trying to read through this but I just keep getting confused with so many people using different things.
I want to start with NP Pro, Bio S and maybe the AF salt mix. Would that be OK to start off with?
Then adding in the 1+, 2+ and 3+ a few weeks down the road?
Also, what is calcium dry?
First thing you are starting fresh tank or changing over to the system with a established tank?
 
The only criticism I have for you are ....
Never put SPS in an unstable system and never trust your LFS blindly.
Read this thread and start dosing it. It will wipe out GHA pretty fast.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/bryopsis-cure-my-battle-with-bryopsis-using-fluconazole.285096/
understood.
i've only added 1 sps frag to the tank through this whole period (which i ordered well in advance of us starting this process) and that makes sense. my lfs thing was my newb ignorance but i agree, under no circumstance should anybody add untreated, cured dry rock and not expect problems to arise.
thanks for your patience again dude @Anirban
 
understood.
i've only added 1 sps frag to the tank through this whole period (which i ordered well in advance of us starting this process) and that makes sense. my lfs thing was my newb ignorance but i agree, under no circumstance should anybody add untreated, cured dry rock and not expect problems to arise.
thanks for your patience again dude @Anirban
I did all of your mistakes including uncured dry rock and sps and skimmerless and sumpless but I learned over the period. So I understand your pain, but you learned a lesson for life and thats important. I am there and I will be for you and anyone who ask for help. Let me know how the fluco treatment goes. Also dont loose a grip on the major 3 parameters.
 
I did all of your mistakes including uncured dry rock and sps and skimmerless and sumpless but I learned over the period. So I understand your pain, but you learned a lesson for life and thats important. I am there and I will be for you and anyone who ask for help. Let me know how the fluco treatment goes. Also dont loose a grip on the major 3 parameters.
absolutely won't. i intend on measuring my ca,alk and mg everyday until i am satisfied that things are cemented in place
the fluco treatment likely won't start for at least 20 days as i couldn't source it locally and ended up ordering it via the same site as the reef2reef threadstarter did and live in Canada.
 
@Anirban here is today:
24 hours ago: Ca 435 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
currently: Ca 430 Alk 8.48 Mg 1440
i took my measurements early this morning and had an initial Alkalinity test of 8.8dKH but decided to take another sample just a minute ago which is the result you see.
 
@Anirban here is today:
24 hours ago: Ca 435 Alk 8.32 Mg 1440
currently: Ca 430 Alk 8.48 Mg 1440
i took my measurements early this morning and had an initial Alkalinity test of 8.8dKH but decided to take another sample just a minute ago which is the result you see.
You are good no changes.
Or for a change if you want a little lower parameters then lower the dosing 10ml/day.
 
Starting with an established system.
Start with adding just the Bio S as per recommended water volume for 14 days and shift to Pro bio S after 14 days with NP Pro. You can do a 10% weekly water changes for 8 weeks with the new salt.
 
Start with adding just the Bio S as per recommended water volume for 14 days and shift to Pro bio S after 14 days with NP Pro. You can do a 10% weekly water changes for 8 weeks with the new salt.

So just Bio S or Bio S and salt?
 
So just Bio S or Bio S and salt?
Anyway you want...with salt or without salt.
But keep a log of your tank parameters including nutrients.
 
You are good no changes.
Or for a change if you want a little lower parameters then lower the dosing 10ml/day.
i've also decided i'm going to keep going with the pro bio s and np pro as i haven't really given enough time to make a well judged decision. if i don't see measurable difference after a large bottle of each i will at least know for sure.
also, being i only am dosing 15ml/day at the moment i think i am going to drop things a little but 5ml at a time. i may as well take the opportunity to make alterations now while i'm still suffering instability albeit considerably less now.
 
i've also decided i'm going to keep going with the pro bio s and np pro as i haven't really given enough time to make a well judged decision. if i don't see measurable difference after a large bottle of each i will at least know for sure.
also, being i only am dosing 15ml/day at the moment i think i am going to drop things a little but 5ml at a time. i may as well take the opportunity to make alterations now while i'm still suffering instability albeit considerably less now.
Yup drop them 5ml and wait for 3-4 days to see how much it consumes and where it stays. You still have 20 days before you start the treatment so get it there by that time. It will help greatly.
 
Bio S, NP Pro and salt ordered!! Can't wait to get started.

Another question!
Do I keep the Chemi-pure Elite I have in the tank while running these products or should I remove it?
 
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