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It’s deeply flawed and far removed from basic economic principles that govern global trade. Even a simple Ricardian model illustrated it well.
Could you please explain why it’s “deeply flawed”?
 
Could you please explain why it’s “deeply flawed”?

Sure, I’ll be happy to explain. There is a misconception that manufacturing jobs are “lost” to other countries when we choose to import goods. In fact, the opposite is true. When two nations trade, both are able to achieve an economic output that falls outside of its domestic gross product. That’s because in any given economy countries exploit their core competency to gain an advantage in trade.

China’s advantage has been primarily low labor cost. Low cost relative to other countries. Economist call this an “unskilled labor.” United States core competency is “skilled labor,” among other things. Every “unskilled job” we export actually creates more than one “skilled labor“ job here at home. I know the “unskilled” part is where a lot of people take offense, but that’s the term.

The real issue is that in any economy there will be those who will not benefit. They will be the economic “losers” even though the nation as a whole is gaining exponentially. Right now, those individuals are the former factory workers, coal miners, steel workers, etc. Now, imagine if we brought all the manufacturing back to America. The economic casualties would be sales people, service personal, logistics workers, etc. There are solution to this problem, but there is no political will to implement them.

So, ultimately it’s what we do for those folks impacted by economic change. We should help, of course. The idea that we should support “buy American” is flawed and not the way to actually help those displaced. If we did this on a large scale, we would quickly give up an advantage that helped us crate the biggest economic engine in the world. In reality we wouldn’t be able to compete on the global stage, real wages would fall, standards of living would fall, inflation would be catastrophic… you get the picture.
 
Sure, I’ll be happy to explain. There is a misconception that manufacturing jobs are “lost” to other countries when we choose to import goods. In fact, the opposite is true. When two nations trade, both are able to achieve an economic output that falls outside of its domestic gross product. That’s because in any given economy countries exploit their core competency to gain an advantage in trade.

China’s advantage has been primarily low labor cost. Low cost relative to other countries. Economist call this an “unskilled labor.” United States core competency is “skilled labor,” among other things. Every “unskilled job” we export actually creates more than one “skilled labor“ job here at home. I know the “unskilled” part is where a lot of people take offense, but that’s the term.

The real issue is that in any economy there will be those who will not benefit. They will be the economic “losers” even though the nation as a whole is gaining exponentially. Right now, those individuals are the former factory workers, coal miners, steel workers, etc. Now, imagine if we brought all the manufacturing back to America. The economic casualties would be sales people, service personal, logistics workers, etc. There are solution to this problem, but there is no political will to implement them.

So, ultimately it’s what we do for those folks impacted by economic change. We should help, of course. The idea that we should support “buy American” is flawed and not the way to actually help those displaced. If we did this on a large scale, we would quickly give up an advantage that helped us crate the biggest economic engine in the world. In reality we wouldn’t be able to compete on the global stage, real wages would fall, standards of living would fall, inflation would be catastrophic… you get the picture.
Way too simplistic. This doesn’t take into account manipulated currencies, government trade restrictions, subsidized industries…you get the picture.

I’ll stick with my buy American mentality.
 
Way too simplistic. This doesn’t take into account manipulated currencies, government trade restrictions, subsidized industries…you get the picture.

I’ll stick with my buy American mentality.
You listed exactly the things our government does, but I’ll bet you had China in mind. Do whatever you want, but at least be open minded.
 
You listed exactly the things our government does, but I’ll bet you had China in mind. Do whatever you want, but at least be open minded.
I know MANY governments do the things I listed above. My point is that it’s not a level playing field and that global markets are manipulated - therefore my rationale to buy American is as good as any other.
 
Would a tank leak with no gravity?
 
Go planet aquariums. Beautiful tanks and made in Arlington TX right right down the road from. I believe the only thing imported is the glass.
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What you say reflects on you. And your posts speak volumes. How often do you go to China? How long do you stay? Why not worry more about the oppression at home?
First of all, doesnt seem you have much to say, and are just argumentative without a point. Oppression at home? You mean people who find it easier to make excuses why they cant do something because they are too lazy to put in the work? Poor choices and lack of effort does not make someone “oppressed”. So im proud that what I say reflects on me.
 
What you say reflects on you. And your posts speak volumes. How often do you go to China? How long do you stay? Why not worry more about the oppression at home?
Sure, I’ll be happy to explain. There is a misconception that manufacturing jobs are “lost” to other countries when we choose to import goods. In fact, the opposite is true. When two nations trade, both are able to achieve an economic output that falls outside of its domestic gross product. That’s because in any given economy countries exploit their core competency to gain an advantage in trade.

China’s advantage has been primarily low labor cost. Low cost relative to other countries. Economist call this an “unskilled labor.” United States core competency is “skilled labor,” among other things. Every “unskilled job” we export actually creates more than one “skilled labor“ job here at home. I know the “unskilled” part is where a lot of people take offense, but that’s the term.

The real issue is that in any economy there will be those who will not benefit. They will be the economic “losers” even though the nation as a whole is gaining exponentially. Right now, those individuals are the former factory workers, coal miners, steel workers, etc. Now, imagine if we brought all the manufacturing back to America. The economic casualties would be sales people, service personal, logistics workers, etc. There are solution to this problem, but there is no political will to implement them.

So, ultimately it’s what we do for those folks impacted by economic change. We should help, of course. The idea that we should support “buy American” is flawed and not the way to actually help those displaced. If we did this on a large scale, we would quickly give up an advantage that helped us crate the biggest economic engine in the world. In reality we wouldn’t be able to compete on the global stage, real wages would fall, standards of living would fall, inflation would be catastrophic… you get the picture.
Reading between the lines, this sounds a little socialist. You happen to be a teacher/professor? Just curiosity
 
I know MANY governments do the things I listed above. My point is that it’s not a level playing field and that global markets are manipulated - therefore my rationale to buy American is as good as any
I know MANY governments do the things I listed above. My point is that it’s not a level playing field and that global markets are manipulated - therefore my rationale to buy American is as good as any other.
Yes. Your Buy American rationale , and it has nothing to do with geopolitical issues.
 
No PC. I agree with you. I beleive i was the first Buy American post that got criticized due to my geopolitical ignorance. Even though, most folks with a Buy American philosophy don't do it based on politics.

It just comes under attack as “political”, usually by those who dislike others having an opinion different from theirs.
 
No PC. I agree with you. I beleive i was the first Buy American post that got criticized due to my geopolitical ignorance. Even though, most folks with a Buy American philosophy don't do it based on politics.

It just comes under attack as “political”, usually by those who dislike others having an opinion different from theirs.
Was pretty upset when my support for buying American was labeled “deeply flawed”.

R2R is a great site and I do enjoy the back and forth bantering that goes on but really dislike when people say someone’s opinion is wrong.
 
Was pretty upset when my support for buying American was labeled “deeply flawed”.

R2R is a great site and I do enjoy the back and forth bantering that goes on but really dislike when people say someone’s opinion is wrong.
Exactly. It takes some arrogance to tell you your opinion is wrong. I was told “What you say reflects on you. And your posts speak volumes.”
I try not to get upset with folks who come off holier than thao. I feel bad for them, because its classic overcompensation. Although i feel bad, it gets old real quick.
 
Reading between the lines, this sounds a little socialist. You happen to be a teacher/professor? Just curiosity
There is literally zero socialist ideas in what I shared. Just economics. I suspect you know little about socialism given the underlying tone. I am well educated but not employed in academia. I’m an executive at a company I co-founded. Why?
 
There is literally zero socialist ideas in what I shared. Just economics. I suspect you know little about socialism given the underlying tone. I am well educated but not employed in academia. I’m an executive at a company I co-founded. Why?
Was just wondering where the anti-buy American bias comes from. Besides wanting to support American employees where possible, i can afford it, and I in no way hold it against anyone who doesn't share my perspective or cant afford it. As far as socialism, my knowledge isn’t just book learned having family that grew up in Cuba. Does your company that you co-founded rely on or is based on imported products? I just didn’t understand how someone’s choice to buy American first would be seen as “wrong” unless it conflicts with political or social ideals, or it hurts the pocketbook. Either way, its not wrong.
 

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