Back at it! Peroxide vrs cyanobacteria

[cowboy]

From 20-30 yrs ago so much has changed in the fish industry from light, flow filtration, dosing (what when and how), Even the type of corals. Between now and then there is truely so many different variables to consider. Even going as far as pointing at the synthetics or the natural filtration in ones tank you really do have to take a step back and consider how much has truely changed. So in reality one could never really know exactly where it comes from how it got introduced or how long it could stay dormant before showing itself. FWIW its here something that we will have to deal with and keep in mind something we will have to treat. Why not find the best remedies and try other ideas and not be scared to experiment.

With out trying something new how will you ever know what color the grass is on the other side, without trying something old how can you prove its worth.

 

[cowboy]

With that said how many of the people 20-30yrs ago were dosing H2O2 on a regular basis Keeping it simple. alot of people from 20-30yrs ago stayed on top of thier tank maintenance, heck it was part of the fun just to see what you would find next. I personally dont wish to fully atomate my tanks because for me it is still part of the fun its relaxing and feels accomplishing.

 

[Duke4Life]

From 20-30 yrs ago so much has changed in the fish industry from light, flow filtration, dosing (what when and how), Even the type of corals. Between now and then there is truely so many different variables to consider. Even going as far as pointing at the synthetics or the natural filtration in ones tank you really do have to take a step back and consider how much has truely changed. So in reality one could never really know exactly where it comes from how it got introduced or how long it could stay dormant before showing itself. FWIW its here something that we will have to deal with and keep in mind something we will have to treat. Why not find the best remedies and try other ideas and not be scared to experiment.

With out trying something new how will you ever know what color the grass is on the other side, without trying something old how can you prove its worth.

Very well put! I hope Tom continues doing what he does because we all benefit. Some of us country boys can be as stubborn as an old mule sometimes hahaha

 

[cowboy]

. Some of us country boys can be as stubborn as an old mule sometimes hahaha

Man that is probably an understatement I havent found one yet that once we get it in are heads thats how its going to be. I think my wife would contest to that in fact its probably almost caused a divorce or two.

 

[twilliard]

This all will be a land mine on cyanobacteria

 

[choff]

With that said how many of the people 20-30yrs ago were dosing H2O2 on a regular basis Keeping it simple. alot of people from 20-30yrs ago stayed on top of thier tank maintenance, heck it was part of the fun just to see what you would find next. I personally dont wish to fully atomate my tanks because for me it is still part of the fun its relaxing and feels accomplishing.

I hear you on the accomplishment part, but you can't fully automate a tank imo. There is way to much maintenance that simply can't be automated. I automate my WC and simplified dealing with my skimmer by adding a 2 gallon overflow and an auto neck cleaner.

I'm sure many of you are in the same boat as me with kids (3 under 12 and in multiple sports), sports of my own (insert other hobbies here), work, a house and of course a wife to maintain. I/we only have X amount of hours in a given week to play with our tanks (note I said play, not work. I don't consider any of it work). The more the mundane is automated the more time that allows me to tend to other things like keeping my zillion pumps routinely cleaned, keeping my sump clean, the CaRx tuned, chiller back flushed, endlessly rearranging corals into spots I think they will like better, tweaking my lighting schedule etc, etc..

There are also times where we go into lulls and have a dip in interest in our tanks. I just went through one and what's great about having WC and skimmer maintenance automated is even in those down times with minimal effort my tank parameters remain consistent with little impact to the tank.

Now, hiring a service to take care of my tank would be a different story.....

 

[Reefahholic]

Great to hear the good news. H2O2 definitely works if done right!

 

[Wayneb332]

I am glad I found this when I did. I was getting very frustrated. I have been dosing for 2 days now. I have already noticed a difference. I never had a problem this bad in the last 5 years. I do believe it came from the last coral I added. Thanks for the help

 

[Reef-roach]

Todd and Ed- thank you for the informative video, and thank you, Todd , for putting in the time and effort to help us all out. Definitely following along, eager to read your conclusions when the time comes. I'm particularly interested in the issue of shrimp sensitivity. Wondering if I could rattle a couple questions at you:
A) Many have noted sensitivity of Lysmata, I'm curious if you've heard of any sensitivity to Odontodactylus? I have a 60 gal mantis tank plumbed downstream from my reef. If I siphon cyano off the sandbed once a week it doesn't go nuts in my tank, but if I let it go more than two weeks, I get a solid cyano carpet in both tanks, and I've got about 50x system volume flow rate. Which leads to my next question:
B)In the video, you mention that all strains you are seeing this far appear to be the same, they change color according to spectrum/light. Not criticizing in any way, but I actually have 2 strains (to the naked eye, anyways), the classic red cyano and a flourescent green that forms a visibly thicker mat. The green is in a few tanks locally, and the one I got first, about 18 months ago. The red popped up maybe 3 months ago and appears to be slowly overtaking the green. If you're still interested, I'd love to send you some and help the cause.
A quick side note, congrats at taking the plunge and going back to school! I too decided a career change was necessary, and enrolled at 35. Still chipping away at it, but it's the best life decision I've made. Keep up the good work!
Josh

 

[choff]

Have read about an oxydator and I tend to agree but finding one for sale that is not a mini for a small cube or a w for a pond has proven difficult so far. I will find one someday but decided to try over the counter H2O2 3% for the major problem I was having it worked great. Long term may be a different story but I'm very happy with the results so far.

I sent an email to those folks a week or so ago and just got a reply, they have the A in stock.

https://saltwater-conversion.com/pages/about-us

 

[mswatk]

Ordered, Thank You for the info.

 

[cowboy]

Apologies I missed my day 11 update but I had to get a QT set up for a fish from another tank.
Day 12 H2O2
Everything is looking great and happy no signs of discomfort, pod, micro star, and snail population showing no decline. Even my cowrie made an appearance.
Water quality
Ca 455
Mg 1475
Dkh 7.8
Po4 .2
No3 .1
Ammonia n/a
Ph 8.34
S.G. 1.025

 

[twilliard]

Todd and Ed- thank you for the informative video, and thank you, Todd , for putting in the time and effort to help us all out. Definitely following along, eager to read your conclusions when the time comes. I'm particularly interested in the issue of shrimp sensitivity. Wondering if I could rattle a couple questions at you:
A) Many have noted sensitivity of Lysmata, I'm curious if you've heard of any sensitivity to Odontodactylus? I have a 60 gal mantis tank plumbed downstream from my reef. If I siphon cyano off the sandbed once a week it doesn't go nuts in my tank, but if I let it go more than two weeks, I get a solid cyano carpet in both tanks, and I've got about 50x system volume flow rate. Which leads to my next question:
B)In the video, you mention that all strains you are seeing this far appear to be the same, they change color according to spectrum/light. Not criticizing in any way, but I actually have 2 strains (to the naked eye, anyways), the classic red cyano and a flourescent green that forms a visibly thicker mat. The green is in a few tanks locally, and the one I got first, about 18 months ago. The red popped up maybe 3 months ago and appears to be slowly overtaking the green. If you're still interested, I'd love to send you some and help the cause.
A quick side note, congrats at taking the plunge and going back to school! I too decided a career change was necessary, and enrolled at 35. Still chipping away at it, but it's the best life decision I've made. Keep up the good work!
Josh

Thank you!
I am working hard to understand cyanobacteria and it's life process.
As for the shrimp I can not come to a conclusion as no testing has been done with that species of mantis. So far for any shrimp loss I have seen its due to human error. The dilution of h2o2 is key.
For the color difference in cyanobacteria this is correct. Once the thylakoids are set in color that will be the color for the chain. I have been able to produce red, purple, green cyanobacteria based on lighting. (Have not been able to get the blue green yet)
I am more than willing to identify any member samples for positive identification at no charge
Just let me know!

 

[twilliard]

Apologies I missed my day 11 update but I had to get a QT set up for a fish from another tank.
Day 12 H2O2
Everything is looking great and happy no signs of discomfort, pod, micro star, and snail population showing no decline. Even my cowrie made an appearance.
Water quality
Ca 455
Mg 1475
Dkh 7.8
Po4 .2
No3 .1
Ammonia n/a
Ph 8.34
S.G. 1.025

Nice results as we are comming to an end on dosing.
Our next goal is to stop h2o2 at 14 days and see if any regrowth occurs

 

[Wayneb332]

I am on my third day dosing 2 times 1 ml per 10gal. I have a huge improvement. I have not had to clean the glass off today. I am not sure my carpet anemone likes it though other than that everyone else is happy. I would like to say thanks again. Reef2reef is an awesome place

 

[twilliard]

I am on my third day dosing 2 times 1 ml per 10gal. I have a huge improvement. I have not had to clean the glass off today. I am not sure my carpet anemone likes it though other than that everyone else is happy. I would like to say thanks again. Reef2reef is an awesome place

Thank you for the input!
Keep us updated on any changes

 

[Wayneb332]

Sure thing did you stir things up during the treatment. I am having a hard time just letting it go

 

[cowboy]

You dont want to stir it up if the cyano becomes free it has the chance to start a colony were it lands. Best bet is manual removal.

 

[Broadfield]

A little update on my system:

• Started dosing 1mL/10 gal on 4/2
• Did not notice any decline in cyano after 4 - 5 days
• Started dosing 1mL/10 gal every 12 hours on 4/7
• Noticed cyano decline within 24 hours
• Cyano was pretty much gone by 4/10
• Added an Oxydator to automate the dosing on 4/12

Here's a before image the day before I started dosing - 4/1

IMG_6084 by Toby Broadfield, on Flickr

Here's the tank right now - 4/15

IMG_6214 by Toby Broadfield, on Flickr

On a side note, I wonder if Peroxide has any effect on green bubble algae? I picked up an Acan(on rock) from a fellow R2R member and it had a couple bulbs of green bubble algae on it. It had been on there for weeks in my tank and I just hadn't removed it yet. When I started dosing, it was still dark green as usual. But I noticed a couple of days ago when I was shooting some macro pics, that it was virtually see through clear. Now today it is completely gone. I'll try to dig up an image.

 

[twilliard]

Oh yes on the right track!