Bailed on Bare Bottom

I have had good denitrification with 1.5 to 2 inches of sand too. There are always going to be areas under the rocks and in the back that get anoxic bacteria populations. No doubt that deeper sand beds will probably have the capability to denitrify more, but you might not need more.

The sand does not bind phosphate that does not exist. You can still remove it and allow the sand to have low levels of phosphate. The issue, most of the time, is that people see a low reading on a test kit and do not understand that they rock is buffering it for them. If they neglect this for long, then the buffer becomes a reservoir. This is why routine water changes and fuges are recommended by the pros even when tanks are young and these levels still read low.
 
I dislike the bare bottom aesthetic, and I keep a bunch of sand sleeping wrasses. Any denitrification is just an additional benefit.
 
Not measuring. I do that all the time to understand who I am debating with. Lots of users will give a feedback that look confidence yet they cannot keep zoas. So I need to know who am talking to.

I don’t think you posted enough pictures .... lol
 
Plenty of production in healthy live rock with good flow. If you want sand, go to the beach!;Headphone
 
I didn’t say anything about adding rock, just speaking In general terms about the ability or live rock and open structures with with plenty of flow to convert nitrate to gas. I can visually see my rocks bubble. I’m not a sand hater.
 
Detritus is nearly benign once it even touches the top of the sand, but is quickly rendered completely benign by the microfauna and bacteria in the surface layers. They were wrong about this in the early days and has since changed with more studies that have come out. The issue with stirring up the sand is that you flip flop the oxic and anoix areas and also can bury creatures that live in the oxic zone and expose creatures that live in the anoxic causing die off. The detritus stir up is unfortunate and messy, but it has nothing organic to contribute to creating nitrate. The ecosystem disturbance is the issue - both the die off and the lower processing ability. Let's assume that you did disturb the ecosystem and it was no longer functioning at 100%... "normal" nitrate would not be able to be processed and would rise, right? This happens to many people, but the sand bed did not "release" any nitrate, it just was unable to do the job that it was once doing. The oxic and anoxic areas repopulate and this usually sorts it's self out, but it takes some time.

The people who use shallow sand beds keep the stirred up so that the anoix areas can never develop. This does not cause any issues since no ecosystem was disturbed.

The idea of detritus releasing nitrates is one of the things that dates the WWM FAQ a bit... yes, the nitrates will creep up, but not from the detritus, as explained above. Also, you will read them mention that nitrate (or phosphate) will go to "zero" - this is not completely true as we are able to measure today. You have to remember that when WWM was in the prime, test kits were horrible and most test kits showed nitrate under 2 as zero - or "clear." What they mean when they say "zero" is that they are undetectable on a test kit. Most nitrate test kits are no better today, but we do have better phosphate test kits and also IC.

Even with all of these issue, WWM is still THE BEST resource for reefing knowledge that is out there. It is free of advertiser self-serving "studies," fanboydom or any kind of bias. These were just guys who knew their stuff and wanted to help. Also, if they ever found out that they were not correct, they were not too proud to correct themselves.

**Tangent, a bit... people did start to realize that detritus would "gum up the works" and not allow good areas of fauna and bacterial development when the benign detritus built up too much. This led to folks starting to vacuum some of their sand after 4-5 years. They went slow, like 15-20% every six months. You sometimes even have to add new sand as the lower pH in the sandbed can melt some. Not everybody did this, but it did not hurt anything as long as not too much was done at once. I vacuum about 25% of my sand a year now that my tanks are quite old. It is fun to see the conchs, cucumbers and worms flock to the freshly vacuumed area to see what I disturbed that are now able to reach.
Out of curiosity, how similar is the natural disturbance of sand sifting creatures to vacuuming the sand? For example, I have a goby that is able to turn over the surface of almost all the sand in my 75g on a good day. Keeping the surface disturbed as detritus settles, and therefore (I assume) keeping most of it suspended in the flow... is this a sufficient strategy or am I going to need to start vacuuming eventually? I used to vacuum before I got the goby but I quit as soon as he started keeping it white all the time. Fairly new reefer here- 9 month old system.
 
I wonder if the Original Poster still reads this thread.
If so - accumulating NO3 and PO4 always comes from that the import is bigger than the export.
There are basically only 2 ways to fix it.
1. Import less. That means feed less. Probably take out the fish (es) that is eating the most.
2. Export more. Water changes is the best method here. It is almost impossible to get problems in a tank from water changes if You use correct salinity and temperature.
Vodka, Acetic acid or Nopox can work too but they need carefulness and some testings to keep things in control. Coral growth can do a lot of export too.
 
I wonder if the Original Poster still reads this thread.
If so - accumulating NO3 and PO4 always comes from that the import is bigger than the export.
There are basically only 2 ways to fix it.
1. Import less. That means feed less. Probably take out the fish (es) that is eating the most.
2. Export more. Water changes is the best method here. It is almost impossible to get problems in a tank from water changes if You use correct salinity and temperature.
Vodka, Acetic acid or Nopox can work too but they need carefulness and some testings to keep things in control. Coral growth can do a lot of export too.
I am still here. Agree with what you stated. But with my feeding being 2X per day whatvthey eat in 3 mins and doing 25% h2o changes weekly for 7 months and still having high nitrates I had to make a change. I will see what I learn from adding the sand over the next 4 weeks.
 
Out of curiosity, how similar is the natural disturbance of sand sifting creatures to vacuuming the sand? For example, I have a goby that is able to turn over the surface of almost all the sand in my 75g on a good day. Keeping the surface disturbed as detritus settles, and therefore (I assume) keeping most of it suspended in the flow... is this a sufficient strategy or am I going to need to start vacuuming eventually? I used to vacuum before I got the goby but I quit as soon as he started keeping it white all the time. Fairly new reefer here- 9 month old system.

The sand sifters stay in the oxic zone. ...or at least, you need to pick critters that stay in the oxic zone. You do not want something that is constantly burrowing down to the bottom in all kinds of different areas.
 
You do not want something that is constantly burrowing down to the bottom in all kinds of different areas.

I've been told by multiple people that nassarius (which I refer to as zombie snails) are an important addition to a clean up crew. Have I been misled?
 

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