Bought used tank, need advice

Bigman87,

All I can say is patience is key in this hobby, and expect some bumps here and there, but keep your head up and in know time you will have a full blown reef tank!

As far as equipment goes, don't skimp on things that really count... you'll thank me later
 
Also, drilling the tank is possible, just never messed with glass. I know I'll need a diamond tipped hole saw, but no idea where on the tank or what size holes I'll need.
 
Bigman87,

All I can say is patience is key in this hobby, and expect some bumps here and there, but keep your head up and in know time you will have a full blown reef tank!

As far as equipment goes, don't skimp on things that really count... you'll thank me later


Thanks for dropping in !! I'll definitely have to take a step back on occasion and reevaluate my plan.
 
Also, drilling the tank is possible, just never messed with glass. I know I'll need a diamond tipped hole saw, but no idea where on the tank or what size holes I'll need.

If you buy from BRS they give the correct hole size to bulkhead fitting in the description. As far as actually doing it, its a cake walk just go slow and keep flushing your cut with water.
 
Does ambient room temp factor into needing a heater? I'm in South East Texas and my living room never drops below 75, but can get into the 80s mid summer.
Room temp matters you will still need a heater to keep the tank at around 78 you will need a fan to blow over the top of the water in the summer for cooling or a chiller. This is where that controller comes in, it can manage heating and cooling off of water temp no need to keep forking out money for different controllers, The key to successful reefs IMHO is stability. So no big temp swings no big salinity swings and ALK CA and MAG need to be stable. This is where dosing pumps and auto top offs come in. Dont worry about those yet you will get there soon enough.
 
Ok, cool. So, Skimmer powerheads and heater are my main focus right now. Lighting is after that, then substrate.
 
If you buy from BRS they give the correct hole size to bulkhead fitting in the description. As far as actually doing it, its a cake walk just go slow and keep flushing your cut with water.

I'm guessing I'll need 2 bulkheads, one for each flow direction?
 
I'm guessing I'll need 2 bulkheads, one for each flow direction?

really depends on what you want to do or what style overflow box you want to run. I usually dont drill for return lines, just have them go over the top, but drain lines you will need to drill for.
 
Ok, cool. So, Skimmer powerheads and heater are my main focus right now. Lighting is after that, then substrate.
that sounds like a good plan. Now you can research the different types of equipment available. Try not to die of sticker shock if you can afford the best then by all means buy it. However there is nothing wrong with getting something that works to start off with and working your way up. I use Jebao wave maker power heads pp8's they work great so far and they are also over half the cost of some of the big names. Dont skimp on the protein skimmer I use an eshopps s120 (came with my setup when I bought it used as well) and it works great. The skimmer alone for your size tank new could easily eat up the budget you have right now so look in the for sale posts and do lots of research before pulling the trigger on it.

Keeping a reef is really all about maintaining the water. With the advance in technologies this has gotten a lot easier.
 
I second the eshopp skimmer recommendation. Got an s300 works wonderful and good quality pump sicce.
 
that sounds like a good plan. Now you can research the different types of equipment available. Try not to die of sticker shock if you can afford the best then by all means buy it. However there is nothing wrong with getting something that works to start off with and working your way up. I use Jebao wave maker power heads pp8's they work great so far and they are also over half the cost of some of the big names. Dont skimp on the protein skimmer I use an eshopps s120 (came with my setup when I bought it used as well) and it works great. The skimmer alone for your size tank new could easily eat up the budget you have right now so look in the for sale posts and do lots of research before pulling the trigger on it.

Keeping a reef is really all about maintaining the water. With the advance in technologies this has gotten a lot easier.

Already feeling dumb, do I need an internal skimmer or a recirc one?
 
Hello, everyone. I bought a used tank, and I have no idea what else I need. A few friends of mine will be able to help, but I figured I'd ask here too. So, I have a 120 gallon tank, a 40 gallon sump, around 75-80 pounds of rock and some odds and ends. This will be my first attempt at an Aquarium, and I might have bit off more than I can chew, but I'm determined to make it work.

Can y'all advise me on what else I need? Especially on flow rates I should get on pumps, powerheads, ect.

This is what I have.

120 gallon tank

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40 gallon sump and Eshopps h.o.b. overflow

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4 bulb t5 light fixture (don't know if it works, lady said it did, but bulbs were out)

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Pump. Would it be worth it to just replace with brand new pump?

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About 80 pounds of rock. Was told its been dry for over a month, but paid $70 for it. Can it be used?

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You can start with curing the rock. This can be done while you are researching and buying other equipment and needs. Also don’t need to do the curing in the tank. Any vessel that will hold salt water, the rock, a pump and a heater will work.

Curing the rock gets it started, the whole things and maturing dry rock takes a long time so you can get a head start before you get the display up.

You need a place to put the rock where smell and extreme weather won’t be a problem.

Next you need clean water to mix your salt with and you will need access to more water through the curing and later when the tank is running. Clean water isn’t important, it’s vital! Starting with clean water will not only help prevent numerous problems but having access to clean water quickly will allow you to correct many common problems. Treated tap water won’t work for 99% of people so an RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis Deionization Resin) system if you want to keep a Reef. First you need to know if your water is treated with chloramines. Chloramines are difficult to remove, pass through the RO and even degrade it but is also very bad for aquariums because it is part ammonia, bad. Start buy contacting your water provider they will have a report you can get listing the things in your water. If you do have them an extra carbon stage in your RO/DI system can work but it’s key to have a system for this and then some test strips to detect them in the filtered water to ensure it’s working. If you do not have chloramines things are easier.

This system is the minimum system I could recommend someone starting out and will create absolutely pure water ready for salt.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/4-stage-75gpd-plus-ro-di-system-bulk-reef-supply.html
Provided you have a minimum of 50PSI standard utility water supply this is your system. If you have less than 50 than you will need a booster pump for any RODI system.

If you have well water I suggest at least the 5 stage Plus system.

If you don’t know what’s in your water or have heavy contaminants like chloramines then the 6 stage is the way to go. Also the 6 stage Plus has other advantages that you will learn/become aware of later so if you can afford it I would get the 6. I have the 6 Stage Water Saver Plus and its great.

You can easily upgrade a 4 stage to a 6 Stage Water Saver Plus with a kit from BRS late if you wish.

The “Plus” systems include a psi gauge, test strips and fittings to install the system. Since you are starting out and don’t have any of those things then you will need the “Plus” version of whatever 4/5/6 stage you choose. The pressure gauge include in the “Plus” is very important as it ensures you have the 50 psi needed and will indicate when the sediment filter needs changing.

So you will have your water next, salt. Any aquarium salt will do. I prefer regular Instant Ocean because of price, history, dependable, meets all needs of Reef tank, and availability. Just pick one and with a system your size I wouldn’t buy any salt smaller than a 5gallon bucket (makes ~160-175 gallons salt water depending on brand) or large box.

Next you need a way to measure the amount of salt in your water. Hydrometers don’t work well, we don’t use them because they just suck and can literally wreck your stuff. Refractometer is the way to go, find one specifically made for salt water. If you are unsure buy from a LFS (local fish store) or online aquarium shop, that’s all they carry. This will only cost you ~25-35$ but is a absolute MUST like water and salt. You also need a refractometer calibration fluid to calibrate/verify the refractometer is on point. This stuff is cheap 8$-10$$ also required.

Some LFS sell RODI or premixed salt water ready to go by the gallon. Seems cheap and usually it’s not too costly. However with your size system this wouldn’t really work. You will have to add at least 1-1.5 gallons of filtered RODI freshwater to your display system every single day just to replace evaporated water. If you don’t replace evaporated water the salt content will rise and can kill your whole system “crash”. Just get the RODI.

Now you need a container for collecting the water from the RODI system. They make about 50-75 gallons a DAY, it’s slow. Most use a Rubbermaid Brute trash can. The “Brute” is food and drinking water safe, won’t leach or contaminate your clean water, very strong/durable/flexible, and they are large enough for effective use. Any hardware store should have the Rubbermade Brute cans in either 32/44/55 gallons with lid, don’t forget the lid. Get the largest you can. They will also sell a wheeled cart that securely attaches to the bottom of Brutes so that you can move them around full of water. I have moved 55 gallon Brutes completely full of water over carpet so they are pretty useful though the cart isn’t required. Brutes are super useful/handy/convenient. You need at least something that will hold a reasonable amount of water for mixing and water changes in the future. You will be using this Brute a lot, get two of you can.

You can get a RODI float valve from BRS that can go on the Brute. This will stop the RODI water when it’s full. Since it takes so long to fill them it’s impossible to watch it all the time and you WILL forget about it and it WILL overflow one day of you don’t have something to stop the water automatically. They are pretty cheap.

Now you have your RODI water, salt, and refractometer it’s time to make salt water. Never add salt directly to water with animals in it, that would be very bad. Always add salt to water, not water to salt. You can mix your water in the Brute or the vessel for the curing of the rock. Use a pump to circulate the water within the mixing container continually and if temp is below 75 degrees a heater will be needed. Mix until water is clear, and no sediment remains on the bottom. If your pump is small you may need to stir the bottom. Make sure the pump creates movement at the surface for gas exchange. Add less salt than you need or think you need and check with the refractometer. Slowly add more salt and allow to mix several minutes and retest. Repeat until you have ~1.024-1.026 SG (specific gravity) or ~ 35ppt. The refractometer has two scales. Ensure is clear and right temp.


Now take the mixed water and the rock and put them in the vessel out of the way and some where smell won’t be a problem if it gets smelly. Place a pump to circulate the water throw out the entire vessel while ensuring there is water movement at surface for gas exchange. Put in a heater and maintain at least 70-75 degrees. Your rock is now curing.

Now that you have started the rock curing you can move to other stuff and more reading.

You can start buy researching how to continue the cure. The purpose of curing the rock is to get it ready for the display tank. Your rock was used and then dries out. This means there will be lots of dead stuff that will breakdown and create waste. You need to remove the water with either a skimmer, activated carbon, changing 100% of the water, and there are other ways to continue the cure and get the rock clean and ready. During the cure nitrifying bacteria will grow on the rock and this essentially starts your cycle. When you are ready and add the rock to the system the it will already have live active nitrifying bacteria. That could shorten the cycle time of the system. I fact, assuming all else in the system is ready, it’s possible that your system could be ready for fish the next day.

Conclusion:
Get RODI, Brute, refractometer w/calibration fluid, and start curing that rock.

Welcome!
 
Already feeling dumb, do I need an internal skimmer or a recirc one?
depends on if it will fit in the sump or not I do believe an eshopps s300 is 14 x 11 and the s200 is 11 x 10 the s 200 is rated for your tank up to 250 gallons i think most people buy bigger than we need mainly because we dont trust the manufactures rating. And it does depend on how heavily stocked you plan to have the tank. An s200 new is like 400 bucks. A recirc skimmer has two pumps the advantage of this is they are not dependent on the water level of the sump. Mine if i turn off my return pump the water level rises in the sump and it overflows. well it used to I have my apex shut it off if the return pump stops now. Recirc usually have a larger foot print. So its up to sump size and what you want to spend. Recircs can also be plumbed externally

This is a good write up on the pros and cons
http://www.mrsaltwatertank.com/write-up-wednesday-the-recirculating-protein-skimmer/
 
Other things to do.

Leak check that tank and sump by filling with tap water on smooth/flat/level surface.

If you plan on a skimmer check that it fits the sump.

Take a look at the display overflow, plumbing, bulkheads. Stiff like that. Do some dry fittings.

You could set up this system with way you have if your ok with the equipment or have to wait to upgrade. However your ability to keep corals is limited due to the current equipment. Lights, flow, filtration all will need to be evaluated with your wants and needs to start the upgrades. You can get some fish and go slow from there with that sump, pump, rock, lights, and tank.
 
So, looking around on Facebook marketplace, I found a precision marine RL-150 skimmer for $80. It's rated for larger than my tank size? Any thoughts on if I should pick it up?

Or a Reef Octopus - 200 with a Sicce PSK 1000 pump for $180.
 
Already feeling dumb, do I need an internal skimmer or a recirc one?

External might be better for you if you can find one. They can perform better. Your sump is small is an external would not be limited by the space in the sump.
 
You can start with curing the rock. This can be done while you are researching and buying other equipment and needs. Also don’t need to do the curing in the tank. Any vessel that will hold salt water, the rock, a pump and a heater will work.

Curing the rock gets it started, the whole things and maturing dry rock takes a long time so you can get a head start before you get the display up.

You need a place to put the rock where smell and extreme weather won’t be a problem.

Next you need clean water to mix your salt with and you will need access to more water through the curing and later when the tank is running. Clean water isn’t important, it’s vital! Starting with clean water will not only help prevent numerous problems but having access to clean water quickly will allow you to correct many common problems. Treated tap water won’t work for 99% of people so an RO/DI (Reverse Osmosis Deionization Resin) system if you want to keep a Reef. First you need to know if your water is treated with chloramines. Chloramines are difficult to remove, pass through the RO and even degrade it but is also very bad for aquariums because it is part ammonia, bad. Start buy contacting your water provider they will have a report you can get listing the things in your water. If you do have them an extra carbon stage in your RO/DI system can work but it’s key to have a system for this and then some test strips to detect them in the filtered water to ensure it’s working. If you do not have chloramines things are easier.

This system is the minimum system I could recommend someone starting out and will create absolutely pure water ready for salt.
https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/4-stage-75gpd-plus-ro-di-system-bulk-reef-supply.html
Provided you have a minimum of 50PSI standard utility water supply this is your system. If you have less than 50 than you will need a booster pump for any RODI system.

If you have well water I suggest at least the 5 stage Plus system.

If you don’t know what’s in your water or have heavy contaminants like chloramines then the 6 stage is the way to go. Also the 6 stage Plus has other advantages that you will learn/become aware of later so if you can afford it I would get the 6. I have the 6 Stage Water Saver Plus and its great.

You can easily upgrade a 4 stage to a 6 Stage Water Saver Plus with a kit from BRS late if you wish.

The “Plus” systems include a psi gauge, test strips and fittings to install the system. Since you are starting out and don’t have any of those things then you will need the “Plus” version of whatever 4/5/6 stage you choose. The pressure gauge include in the “Plus” is very important as it ensures you have the 50 psi needed and will indicate when the sediment filter needs changing.

So you will have your water next, salt. Any aquarium salt will do. I prefer regular Instant Ocean because of price, history, dependable, meets all needs of Reef tank, and availability. Just pick one and with a system your size I wouldn’t buy any salt smaller than a 5gallon bucket (makes ~160-175 gallons salt water depending on brand) or large box.

Next you need a way to measure the amount of salt in your water. Hydrometers don’t work well, we don’t use them because they just suck and can literally wreck your stuff. Refractometer is the way to go, find one specifically made for salt water. If you are unsure buy from a LFS (local fish store) or online aquarium shop, that’s all they carry. This will only cost you ~25-35$ but is a absolute MUST like water and salt. You also need a refractometer calibration fluid to calibrate/verify the refractometer is on point. This stuff is cheap 8$-10$$ also required.

Some LFS sell RODI or premixed salt water ready to go by the gallon. Seems cheap and usually it’s not too costly. However with your size system this wouldn’t really work. You will have to add at least 1-1.5 gallons of filtered RODI freshwater to your display system every single day just to replace evaporated water. If you don’t replace evaporated water the salt content will rise and can kill your whole system “crash”. Just get the RODI.

Now you need a container for collecting the water from the RODI system. They make about 50-75 gallons a DAY, it’s slow. Most use a Rubbermaid Brute trash can. The “Brute” is food and drinking water safe, won’t leach or contaminate your clean water, very strong/durable/flexible, and they are large enough for effective use. Any hardware store should have the Rubbermade Brute cans in either 32/44/55 gallons with lid, don’t forget the lid. Get the largest you can. They will also sell a wheeled cart that securely attaches to the bottom of Brutes so that you can move them around full of water. I have moved 55 gallon Brutes completely full of water over carpet so they are pretty useful though the cart isn’t required. Brutes are super useful/handy/convenient. You need at least something that will hold a reasonable amount of water for mixing and water changes in the future. You will be using this Brute a lot, get two of you can.

You can get a RODI float valve from BRS that can go on the Brute. This will stop the RODI water when it’s full. Since it takes so long to fill them it’s impossible to watch it all the time and you WILL forget about it and it WILL overflow one day of you don’t have something to stop the water automatically. They are pretty cheap.

Now you have your RODI water, salt, and refractometer it’s time to make salt water. Never add salt directly to water with animals in it, that would be very bad. Always add salt to water, not water to salt. You can mix your water in the Brute or the vessel for the curing of the rock. Use a pump to circulate the water within the mixing container continually and if temp is below 75 degrees a heater will be needed. Mix until water is clear, and no sediment remains on the bottom. If your pump is small you may need to stir the bottom. Make sure the pump creates movement at the surface for gas exchange. Add less salt than you need or think you need and check with the refractometer. Slowly add more salt and allow to mix several minutes and retest. Repeat until you have ~1.024-1.026 SG (specific gravity) or ~ 35ppt. The refractometer has two scales. Ensure is clear and right temp.


Now take the mixed water and the rock and put them in the vessel out of the way and some where smell won’t be a problem if it gets smelly. Place a pump to circulate the water throw out the entire vessel while ensuring there is water movement at surface for gas exchange. Put in a heater and maintain at least 70-75 degrees. Your rock is now curing.

Now that you have started the rock curing you can move to other stuff and more reading.

You can start buy researching how to continue the cure. The purpose of curing the rock is to get it ready for the display tank. Your rock was used and then dries out. This means there will be lots of dead stuff that will breakdown and create waste. You need to remove the water with either a skimmer, activated carbon, changing 100% of the water, and there are other ways to continue the cure and get the rock clean and ready. During the cure nitrifying bacteria will grow on the rock and this essentially starts your cycle. When you are ready and add the rock to the system the it will already have live active nitrifying bacteria. That could shorten the cycle time of the system. I fact, assuming all else in the system is ready, it’s possible that your system could be ready for fish the next day.

Conclusion:
Get RODI, Brute, refractometer w/calibration fluid, and start curing that rock.

Welcome!

I already have a 100gpd 4 stage RO system with float and check valve, plumbed to a 55 gallon black rain barrel I bought from Home Depot. Different hobby, but should work I would think. Tds of the barrel is sub 50ppm.
 
I think RODI system should be #1. How are you going to fill a 6’ 125 gallon tank?

Just posted a possible answer for that.

There was supposed to me a smile emoji, but guess it didn't work. Wasn't meant to be condensending.
 

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