Brown Sand! What to do?

Either Phosphates more than likely diatomes, do you vacuum the sand bed ? You should it improves your bed and cleans it up with no ill effects.
I have vacuumed out 1/3 of my sand at a time with a hose until all was changed out and replaced it every year, only made my tank shine...
Easy on what you put in your tank, less is better,
 
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Honestly I have had diatom breakouts, but this is getting bad!!


BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Ecology

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom#cite_note-treg95-9

Planktonic diatoms in freshwater and marine environments typically exhibit a "boom and bust" (or "bloom and bust") lifestyle. When conditions in the upper mixed layer (nutrients and light) are favourable (e.g. at the start of spring) their competitive edge[11] allows them to quickly dominate phytoplankton communities ("boom" or "bloom"). As such they are often classed as opportunistic r-strategists (i.e. those organisms whose ecology is defined by a high growth rate, r).
When conditions turn unfavourable, usually upon depletion of nutrients, diatom cells typically increase in sinking rate and exit the upper mixed layer ("bust"). This sinking is induced by either a loss of buoyancy control, the synthesis of mucilage that sticks diatoms cells together, or the production of heavy resting spores. Sinking out of the upper mixed layer removes diatoms from conditions unfavourable to growth, including grazer populations and higher temperatures (which would otherwise increase cell metabolism). Cells reaching deeper water or the shallow seafloor can then rest until conditions become more favourable again. In the open ocean, many sinking cells are lost to the deep, but refuge populations can persist near the thermocline.
Ultimately, diatom cells in these resting populations re-enter the upper mixed layer when vertical mixing entrains them. In most circumstances, this mixing also replenishes nutrients in the upper mixed layer, setting the scene for the next round of diatom blooms. In the open ocean (away from areas of continuous upwelling[12]), this cycle of bloom, bust, then return to pre-bloom conditions typically occurs over an annual cycle, with diatoms only being prevalent during the spring and early summer. In some locations, however, an autumn bloom may occur, caused by the breakdown of summer stratification and the entrainment of nutrients while light levels are still sufficient for growth. Since vertical mixing is increasing, and light levels are falling as winter approaches, these blooms are smaller and shorter-lived than their spring equivalents.
In the open ocean, the condition that typically causes diatom (spring) blooms to end is a lack of silicon. Unlike other nutrients, this is only a major requirement of diatoms so it is not regenerated in the plankton ecosystem as efficiently as, for instance, nitrogen or phosphorus nutrients. This can be seen in maps of surface nutrient concentrations - as nutrients decline along gradients, silicon is usually the first to be exhausted (followed normally by nitrogen then phosphorus).
Because of this bloom-and-bust lifestyle, diatoms are believed to play a disproportionately important role in the export of carbon from oceanic surface waters[13][12] (see also the biological pump). Significantly, they also play a key role in the regulation of the biogeochemical cycle of silicon in the modern ocean.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom#cite_note-treg95-9
The use of silicon by diatoms is believed by many researchers to be the key to their ecological success. In a now classic study, Egge & Aksnes (1992)[15] found that diatom dominance of mesocosm communities was directly related to the availability of silicic acid — when concentrations were greater than 2 mmol m-3, they found that diatoms typically represented more than 70% of the phytoplankton community. Raven (1983)[16] noted that, relative to organic cell walls, silica frustules require less energy to synthesize (approximately 8% of a comparable organic wall), potentially a significant saving on the overall cell energy budget. Other researchers[17] have suggested that the biogenic silica in diatom cell walls acts as an effective pH buffering agent, facilitating the conversion of bicarbonate to dissolved CO2 (which is more readily assimilated). Notwithstanding the possible advantages conferred by silicon, diatoms typically have higher growth rates than other algae of a corresponding size.[11]
Diatoms occur in virtually every environment that contains water. This includes not only oceans, seas, lakes and streams, but also soil.
 
Life-Cycle



Diatoms are non-motile; however, sperm found in some species can be flagellated, though motility is usually limited to a gliding motion.[7] Reproduction among these organisms is primarily asexual by binary fission, with each daughter cell receiving half of the parent theca as the epitheca and then forming a new hypotheca.
This form of division results in a size reduction of the offspring and therefore the average cell size of a diatom population decreases, until the cells are about one-third their maximum size.[2] It has been observed, however, the ability of certain taxa to divide without causing a reduction in cell size.[18] Nonetheless, in order to restore the cell size of a diatom population for those that do endure size reduction, sexual reproduction and auxospore formation must occur.[2] Vegetative cells of diatoms are diploid (2N) and so meiosis can take place, producing male and female gametes which then fuse to form the zygote. The zygote sheds its silica theca and grows into a large sphere covered by an organic membrane, the auxospore. A new diatom cell of maximum size, the initial cell, forms within the auxospore thus beginning a new generation. Resting spores may also be formed as a response to unfavourable environmental conditions with germination occurring when conditions improve.[7]
In centric diatoms, the small male gametes have one flagellum while the female gametes are large and non-motile (oogamous). Conversely, in pinnate diatoms both gametes lack flagella (isoogamous).[2] Certain araphid species have been documented as anisogamous and are, therefore, considered to represent a transitional stage between centric and pinnate diatoms.[1
 
Collection

Living diatoms are often found clinging in great numbers to filamentous algae, or forming gelatinous masses on various submerged plants. Cladophora is frequently covered with Cocconeis, an elliptically shaped diatom; Vaucheria is often covered with small forms. Diatoms are frequently present as a brown, slippery coating on submerged stones and sticks, and may be seen to "stream" with river current.
The surface mud of a pond, ditch, or lagoon will almost always yield some diatoms. They can be made to emerge by filling a jar with water and mud, wrapping it in black paper and letting direct sunlight fall on the surface of the water. Within a day, the diatoms will come to the top in a scum and can be isolated.
Since diato
 
I wanted to add a pic to the nice scientific answer for me. Thank you. :)


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Thats right........brown!
 
Rev did you ever figure out the cause or how to get rid of the problem? Im having the same issues
 
Not yet and I have tried everything!!! I will post more about it in a bit.
 
Ive been having the same (I think) problem since before you posted this and I cant get it to go away. Ill try to get a pic of it to see if its the same
 
Not yet and I have tried everything!!! I will post more about it in a bit.
remove the top layer... and just add dry sand if need be after doing a W/C... :)

I'm going thru the same issue but mine is probably from not doing a W/C for almost 9 weeks... that's back to back 9 weeks between W/C... so, I plan on siphoning the top layer and doing consecutive W/C the next few weeks... :)
 
i am starting to get some brown myself. i am going to tag along on this. great thread guys. i have heard from a guy i get frags from that running rowphos may be a good idea
 
I had brown sand until I added a starry blenny. Funny thing to me is that I didn't add it to clean up the sand, but it is always working away at it. Plus, it has a great personality.
 
Increase the flow and reduce the lights, then do a nice W/C. also nassarius and sand sifters of all kinds will help, like a diamond watchman, or a orange spotted jaw.

Did you try any of the suggestions I gave you? I see the post that says you changed the flow, but did you add any? Larger/more frequent water changes? Sand sifters? Is your skimmer working efficiently?

More questions-

How long has your display been set up?
When did you last move the rock set up?
Are you having big PH fluxuations?
Is there a kalk stirrer and PH controller to offset the Ca reactor?
How deep is the sand bed?
How much macro algea is the in the system?
How long is the photocycle?
Do you have Anthias? (do you feed multiple times daily?)
Have you checked the top off for Po4 yet?
Fresh water resevoir get ANY light?
 
Did you try any of the suggestions I gave you? I see the post that says you changed the flow, but did you add any? Larger/more frequent water changes? Sand sifters? Is your skimmer working efficiently?

More questions-

How long has your display been set up?
When did you last move the rock set up?
Are you having big PH fluxuations?
Is there a kalk stirrer and PH controller to offset the Ca reactor?
How deep is the sand bed?
How much macro algea is the in the system?
How long is the photocycle?
Do you have Anthias? (do you feed multiple times daily?)
Have you checked the top off for Po4 yet?
Fresh water resevoir get ANY light?

For some reason I feel like I just got a spanking. :cry: But your right daddy I havent done all these things. I thought it was a cal/alk issue so I waited it out and it hasnt gotten better. It got a little better, but not enough. So here it is and be gentle.


changed the flow - YES
Larger/more frequent water changes? - I have done more
Sand sifters? Got some snails on the way
Is your skimmer working efficiently? YES
How long has your display been set up? 1 Year, but came from an established system.
When did you last move the rock set up? Year
Are you having big PH fluxuations? Not Checked
Is there a kalk stirrer and PH controller to offset the Ca reactor? I added Kalk to my top off water
How deep is the sand bed? 3"
How much macro algea is the in the system? NO
How long is the photocycle? 8hrs MH
Do you have Anthias? (do you feed multiple times daily?) NO
Have you checked the top off for Po4 yet? NO
Fresh water resevoir get ANY light? NO

My Po4 in the tank comes out to 0. I feed a little once a day. Sometimes every other day. The water is clean!
 
changed the flow - YES-~
~if there is any doubt-add more

Larger/more frequent water changes? - I have done more~
~10%-15%/wk

Sand sifters? Got some snails on the way~
~cuc in thirds-crabs1/3,sand sifter1/3,snails1/3

Is your skimmer working efficiently? YES
How long has your display been set up? 1 Year, but came from an established system.~
~replace or add some substrate if its old, a little at a time

When did you last move the rock set up? Year

Are you having big PH fluxuations? Not Checked~~~>

Is there a kalk stirrer and PH controller to offset the Ca reactor? I added
Kalk to my top off water~~~<
~ the reactor is decreasing your PH steadily, the top off (if auto) should be from 2 sources, one that is pure RO/DI, and one that has been dosed with calcium hydroxide, and the PH controller will top off with PH high water when it drops below the designated point.

How deep is the sand bed? 3"

How much macro algea is the in the system? NO~
~~ADD SOME!! The macro will compete for the nutrients that are feuling the algea, diotom, and cyano bloom

How long is the photocycle? 8hrs MH~
~One temperary solution to stunt the growth/ life cycle of the brown and green bloom is no light for a few days, up to a week, but this wont solve the nutrient export issue.
Do you have Anthias? (do you feed multiple times daily?) NO
~good
Have you checked the top off for Po4 yet? NO~
~do this, the phosphate might be consumed as soon as it gets to the display, hense the 0 reading in the system.
Fresh water resevoir get ANY light? NO~
~good

My Po4 in the tank comes out to 0. I feed a little once a day. Sometimes every other day. The water is clean.~~~
~I bet it is, all the brown and green are algeas and diotomes and cyano bacterias, that all consume nutrients from the water, thus allowing more organic decay, thus clearer water, IMO you need to find more long term solutions to nutrient export than a vodka dose. By adding competing organisms and more cuc you will probably mave the best long term success.

Macro, sponges, macro, bi-valves,macro, polycheate worms, macro, grazing fish, macro, sand snails, macro, grazing snails, macro, hermits, emeralds, conchs, mangroves, and did I mention MACRO!!

Hope that was gentle,:bigsmile:.
 
Not sure how I solved it really but funny you bump this because the brown has just recently taken over again!
 

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