BRS 6 stage plus for drinking? New to salt question

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Hi,

I'm new to saltwater and I know I need a DI system. I called BRS and spoke to one of them about trying to get a system we can drink from and the use of reefing. They said the 6 stage plus is not NSF certified.
If I buy the water tank and faucet kit and add this before the DI, its drinkable right? I can drink water like any other water, during/after sports, no need to eat something as you would with DI water etc...

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/brs-6-stage-universal-water-saver-plus-ro-di-system-150gpd.html

http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/brs-add-on-faucet-kit.html

I'm sure it's been asked 100's of times but I can't find a solid answer.
I'd like system but I also feel I could be over looking something as I am new to reefing and high tech water systems in general.

Thanks

P.S.
I am amazed how much I have spent without the biocube 29 purchase!:eek:
 
Did the exact same thing on mine 3 years ago, and haven't died yet. We even ran it to the fridge so our ice cubes are clean also.

I also put a post RO Carbon block and pressure gauge on the system after the check valve. They say it makes it taste better, and the pressure gauge is so I know how full the tank is. I try to time filling my to mixing station so that I open the valve after the RO tank has been filling for a few minutes. This prevents the high TDS creep water from going through my DI membranes.
 
Did the exact same thing on mine 3 years ago, and haven't died yet. We even ran it to the fridge so our ice cubes are clean also.

I also put a post RO Carbon block and pressure gauge on the system after the check valve. They say it makes it taste better, and the pressure gauge is so I know how full the tank is. I try to time filling my to mixing station so that I open the valve after the RO tank has been filling for a few minutes. This prevents the high TDS creep water from going through my DI membranes.

Great to hear. I wasn't sure if it was fine or if the sales person was just giving me a "sales, ok".
How much water do you change and how long does the filters last you before changing them?

Here in L.A. we have chloramines and I read the BRS filters have an approx. life span of 3,500 gls (we drink lots of water too). I'm guessing we will go through filters pretty quick.
 
I don't use their filters. I started putting spectra pure .5 micron carbon blocks behind a .2 micron sediment filter. I also run one of the giant Pentek 20" filters on mine, so I couldn't tell you. I run dual tanks as well, and I know mine comes on atleast 3 times a day to make drinking water. It's not on very long, but I also run a booster pump, so that makes a big difference.
 
Follow the diagram found here and make sure to include the check valve between the pressure tank and the DI so you don't have TDS creep issues which eat DI.
http://spectrapure.com/huds/4-STAGE-DWK-RODI-NAG.pdf
If you have not already bought the system and drinking kit you can save a lot of money by going this route and have a better system which ends up saving you lots of money not only initially but long term too.
http://spectrapure.com/Refurbished-90-GPD-RODI-System

and
http://purelyh2o.com/store/ro-di-system-add-on-kit/33-drinking-water-add-on.html

No need for any special chloramine carbons, any 1 micron or smaller extruded carbon block is more than capable of removing the chlorine portion of chloramines and breaking the bond with the ammonia which is removed by the RO and DI. Carbon DOES NOT remove chloramines.
 
I don't use their filters. I started putting spectra pure .5 micron carbon blocks behind a .2 micron sediment filter. I also run one of the giant Pentek 20" filters on mine, so I couldn't tell you. I run dual tanks as well, and I know mine comes on atleast 3 times a day to make drinking water. It's not on very long, but I also run a booster pump, so that makes a big difference.

I see, thx

Follow the diagram found here and make sure to include the check valve between the pressure tank and the DI so you don't have TDS creep issues which eat DI.
http://spectrapure.com/huds/4-STAGE-DWK-RODI-NAG.pdf
If you have not already bought the system and drinking kit you can save a lot of money by going this route and have a better system which ends up saving you lots of money not only initially but long term too.
http://spectrapure.com/Refurbished-90-GPD-RODI-System

and
http://purelyh2o.com/store/ro-di-system-add-on-kit/33-drinking-water-add-on.html

No need for any special chloramine carbons, any 1 micron or smaller extruded carbon block is more than capable of removing the chlorine portion of chloramines and breaking the bond with the ammonia which is removed by the RO and DI. Carbon DOES NOT remove chloramines.

Nice and thx for the links. I read a lot of reefers lean towards spectrapure, are they the better brand?
I have not purchased the system but I was drawn by the reviews, digital TDS and the internal filter diameter for the price. The filters itself seem like they would be more effective (life spam would be the same) at removing stuff. The last was the GPD as I do not plan to keep a jug of water for water changes on hand, 150gpd seemed like the best bet. Given my needs/rookie thoughts, would you still consider a different route?
 
Yes Spectrapure is the leader in the industry with over 30 years in the same Arizona city. Water treatment is their primary business and they take it seriously. They hold many patents, trademarks and copyrights in water treatment and are innovators not imitators.
They are the only vendor to specially treat all their RO membranes to improve their efficiency and to custom blend all their own DI resins. Both lead to a lower cost of ownership and fewer replacements.
Do you really think you need 150 GPD? Thats a lot of water. And don't fall for the water saver claim on the 150, it's not that easy, if it were everyone would have been doing dual membranes decades ago. Also be advised it takes a minimum of 65 psi to operate a dual membrane system. Not everyone has that much pressure without a booster. I run a single membrane boosted system and get 135-150 gpd out of a Spectrapure 99% Select membrane, it's 9 years old and still at 99.4% removal efficiency.
 
Yes Spectrapure is the leader in the industry with over 30 years in the same Arizona city. Water treatment is their primary business and they take it seriously. They hold many patents, trademarks and copyrights in water treatment and are innovators not imitators.
They are the only vendor to specially treat all their RO membranes to improve their efficiency and to custom blend all their own DI resins. Both lead to a lower cost of ownership and fewer replacements.
Do you really think you need 150 GPD? Thats a lot of water. And don't fall for the water saver claim on the 150, it's not that easy, if it were everyone would have been doing dual membranes decades ago. Also be advised it takes a minimum of 65 psi to operate a dual membrane system. Not everyone has that much pressure without a booster. I run a single membrane boosted system and get 135-150 gpd out of a Spectrapure 99% Select membrane, it's 9 years old and still at 99.4% removal efficiency.

Ok thx, you've sold me on their units. I do want one with a TDS meter so I'll checkout their site out.

The 150gpd is just something I assumed the more GPD the better. I'll have to test my water pressure so I can see if the booster is needed or not.
Great information, I really appreciate it!
 
Personally I would pass on the inline TDS meters, I own two of them and let the batteries die years ago. They lack the accuracy of a $25-$30 ATC temperature compensated handheld, cannot be calibrated and are limited to a couple testing points. A good handheld is much more versatile, can be used to test anywhere, is more accurate since it is temperature compensated and can be calibrated. They also have a built in digital thermometer so serve dual purpose.
 
Personally I would pass on the inline TDS meters, I own two of them and let the batteries die years ago. They lack the accuracy of a $25-$30 ATC temperature compensated handheld, cannot be calibrated and are limited to a couple testing points. A good handheld is much more versatile, can be used to test anywhere, is more accurate since it is temperature compensated and can be calibrated. They also have a built in digital thermometer so serve dual purpose.
 
Personally I would pass on the inline TDS meters, I own two of them and let the batteries die years ago. They lack the accuracy of a $25-$30 ATC temperature compensated handheld, cannot be calibrated and are limited to a couple testing points. A good handheld is much more versatile, can be used to test anywhere, is more accurate since it is temperature compensated and can be calibrated. They also have a built in digital thermometer so serve dual purpose.

ATC?
 
Totally go with a spectra pure system.. go for the 90 gallon a day max cap system with auto flush. I have two separate systems!!! love mine... occasionally get 0 tds right from the membrane output "incoming tds is 155 ish usually from the city" when its cold outside, meaning i get over 99% rejection rate! I run them about 5 times a year to make about 500 gallons of RODI at once. Before you buy anything check your local water treatment facility web page and find out if they use Chlorine or chlorimine to treat your water. the two types of treatment methods require different setups to make good efficient water from them. And i don't mess with drinking water kits personally. but it basically adds necessary elements back into pure water.

Two major critical things. never install the final stages before your flush the first stages. beginning to end.. flush each stage well before installing the next stage down the line.. also applies to when you change out carbon blocks n so forth remove the membrane or bypass it, till its flushes or you will ruin the memebrane and di resin. like wise for a new membrane. you will ruin Di resin from a few gallons of new membrane goo they come shipped and manufactured with.

Second make as much at once as you can, then flush it well and shut it down n seal it off till you need more rodi water again don't make 10 gallons at a time.
All my rod n dosing gear is spectura pure i trust them 100% they always out perform my high expectations.

This is the one I suggest and use its under 400$ expect annual cost to be around 65$ ish tops. Depends on how bad your home water is coming in mostly.
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/RODI-SYSTEMS/MaxCap®-Automatic-Flush-90-GPD-RO-DI-System
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/RODI-SYSTEMS/MaxCap®-Automatic-Flush-90-GPD-RO-DI-System
 
Auto Temperature Compensated or Correction depending on who you talk to. When a TDS meter is ATC it means it has a probe that senses the ater temperature and automatically corrects the conductivity measurement it senses to read the correct TDS at that given temperature. The conductivity of fluids change with temperature changes, everything is not always 77 degrees. Inline meters do not have this probe in the water, they sense air temperature which is rarely the same as water temp so can be very inaccurate.

The MaxCap systems are what I have owned for the last 14 years but a little more than what some people want to spend up front. The advantage though is it saves you money from then on. I do not recommend shutting a RO system system down though not does any vendor or manufacturer. Any RO membrane should be used at least every 20-14 days to keep it fresh. Spectrapure and everyone else recommends removing the membrane and DI cartridges and storing them on sealed bags with moisture in them if it will be down for more than 20-30 days or so.
 
Totally go with a spectra pure system.. go for the 90 gallon a day max cap system with auto flush. I have two separate systems!!! love mine... occasionally get 0 tds right from the membrane output "incoming tds is 155 ish usually from the city" when its cold outside, meaning i get over 99% rejection rate! I run them about 5 times a year to make about 500 gallons of RODI at once. Before you buy anything check your local water treatment facility web page and find out if they use Chlorine or chlorimine to treat your water. the two types of treatment methods require different setups to make good efficient water from them. And i don't mess with drinking water kits personally. but it basically adds necessary elements back into pure water.

Two major critical things. never install the final stages before your flush the first stages. beginning to end.. flush each stage well before installing the next stage down the line.. also applies to when you change out carbon blocks n so forth remove the membrane or bypass it, till its flushes or you will ruin the memebrane and di resin. like wise for a new membrane. you will ruin Di resin from a few gallons of new membrane goo they come shipped and manufactured with.

Second make as much at once as you can, then flush it well and shut it down n seal it off till you need more rodi water again don't make 10 gallons at a time.
All my rod n dosing gear is spectura pure i trust them 100% they always out perform my high expectations.

This is the one I suggest and use its under 400$ expect annual cost to be around 65$ ish tops. Depends on how bad your home water is coming in mostly.
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/RODI-SYSTEMS/MaxCap®-Automatic-Flush-90-GPD-RO-DI-System
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/RODI-SYSTEMS/MaxCap®-Automatic-Flush-90-GPD-RO-DI-System

Nice info. Now I understand why Brute is a common word in the reef homes. I guess I need to get a large storage container for water. I have Chloramines in my water, I called my local water supply a few months ago.
Btw where do you keep 500 gls at once, that's a lot of stored water lol.

Auto Temperature Compensated or Correction depending on who you talk to. When a TDS meter is ATC it means it has a probe that senses the ater temperature and automatically corrects the conductivity measurement it senses to read the correct TDS at that given temperature. The conductivity of fluids change with temperature changes, everything is not always 77 degrees. Inline meters do not have this probe in the water, they sense air temperature which is rarely the same as water temp so can be very inaccurate.

The MaxCap systems are what I have owned for the last 14 years but a little more than what some people want to spend up front. The advantage though is it saves you money from then on. I do not recommend shutting a RO system system down though not does any vendor or manufacturer. Any RO membrane should be used at least every 20-14 days to keep it fresh. Spectrapure and everyone else recommends removing the membrane and DI cartridges and storing them on sealed bags with moisture in them if it will be down for more than 20-30 days or so.

Ahhh, makes sense. I always assumed the digital TDS meters were the way to go. When I google ATC, I get refractometers. I purchased a Milwaukee MA887 digital for testing salinity, would this work to test the RO/DI system? Everything I've purchased for testing water (salinity, test kits etc...) is still boxed up. I haven't read instructions on anything, I'm reading step by step. Right now I am building my overflow and trying to get my water system so I might have something I can use with the water system but just don't know it yet (if this makes sense, tons of info for reefing).
http://www.milwaukeetesters.net/MA887.html

What about this system?
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/RO-S...king-Water-System-4-gal-Tank-w-Air-Gap-Faucet
with
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/ADD-ONS/MaxCap®-D2-Dual-Stage-DI-System-Add-On-w-SuperDI-Cartridges
and
http://spectrapure.com/RO-RODI/ADD-...ne-Flush-Valve-Kit-For-90-GPD-RO-RODI-Systems
 
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What are your thoughts on prolonged carbon use without a break. I have heard from several people that carbon will temporarily loose effectiveness after running for extended period, and after resting, will begin working better again.
 
Sorry this is alot of thoughts in one long post but its full of my past mistakes and what i think is good advise.
I use the 100 gallon size commercial storage bins like you see on a pressure washing company truck. and five 50 gallon plastic barrels with lids "like giant pickle barrels" i have acquired and i have to 50 gallon square acrylic boxes with lids for the other SW system inside. there in a remote room and water is pumped for auto water changes and ato from that system independent of the other bigger system.

I also have about 10 of the 5 gallon jugs with rod for manual top off or emergency type stuff for buddies or a quick batch of salt water,

i would at a minimum get two 50 gallon brutes on wheels. And probably a larger commercial 100 gallon plastic type container as soon as funds are available. i try not to mix my ato Kalk bins i have two, with salt water bins which is all the rest. The point is once your get the RODI system purged of creeper TDS that occurs after they have been off for a few days from the membrane and carbon n so forth, then start making good water you wanna keep it going as long as possible and make all you can store. the longer it runs the better the output becomes for the first hour or so at least. then shut it down "out of the sun and extreme temperature" and seal it off till you need it again for the next round.

I usually start it up purge it out and confirm 0 tads and the right tads at various stages in my system, then i make 300 gallons of rodi, then do all my Sw changes and fill small buckets n so forth while the water change SW completes then fill everything with rodi for ATO rations. once its all gone, i start all over. I store just a bit over 500 gallons as rations till there gone then do about 200 gallons of water changes with what was made form last round pending what i have left in all the bins, and then make another 500 total. about 700-800 gallons each time i start up my system every few months if i play it right and do the Sw changed during my initial filling rounds as I'm making RODI. that may my freshest rod is used for SW mix. which BTW should be tired and created according to some manufactures before you add salt. since RODI can have extreme ph's because its so unstable. i sometimes add a very small bit of kalk powder in just before i start the mix of SW to get the ph in the right range to except the salt mix. But most companys have already accounted for this with buffer. It does create a slightly higher end ph as well as ALK level, and a bit less precipitation i think. and depending on what your current tank parameters are ALK wise, you may want your chosen Sw mix to be a bit higher or lower when u add it to the tank. Referred to adjusting your new Sw to match the system water. Many folks don't bother with this step, but for the hard core ACRO guys its smart insurance to guard against a ALK burn on the acros.

Rinse everything with just plain RODI before each use. I dip everything i use day to day in RODI in a bucket By the tank. My test kit vials, my nets, my filter sponges, n so forth. that is just a rinse bucket that i dump every few days. ill even rinse my hands in it if i know i just washed dishes or worked not he truck don't put you hands in the tank. In a 40 gallon that alone could crash the tank depending where your hands have been.
all brand new bins or equipment I soak with a pump in it circulating on first first use, before you put it into use. i almost once dropped a skimmer back into use, after i had just soaked in murtic acid to clean it the day before and stopped just in-time after i noticed a dead bug in the bottom, then reached in and the water burned my hands. It was still murtic acid in the bottom.. wow that was close... never do that again. it all gets rinsed...
I do use a hand held TDS meter 30$ ish to confirm TDS at certain intervals and locations to be sure nothing is compromised or leaching into my supply vats. so far i have had no issues once i have rinsed the stuff real well the first round. you'll commonly find 3-5 tds in a clean bin the day after you make the water. which is due to limitations in the testing equipment and co2, and not necessarily some bad things creeping into your water.
SOME FRAG plug manufactures require you to cure the plugs prior to initial use as well!!! and this hand held tds meter is great use there as well as you change the soak water a few times a day till you get down to something under say 10 TDS.

remember pure RODI is actually a bit corrosive and will break down deposits from old crap left in vats due to its volatile ph and inability to buffer it self well.. So a good rinse after each time you finish a vat off, it is smart. A gallon of rodi and a good swirl and a dump n wipe down before you completely top it off with all new water is cheap insurance.

Everything starts with the quality of your water IMO. If you got crap in your rodi, the SW hobby will never work right for you.


On my personal system, I have auto flush, which i consider a must have if you make more than 50 gallons at a time, and i have a t fitting on the output from PRE filter and carbon filter and before the membrane. So when I change those first two stages, i can just dump 10 gallons of water right out, and not actually have to remove my membrane and di stages from the housings. So you don't ruin them with carbon fines or anything which will happen they must be flushed when replaced or they trash the stages further down the line.. many many folks make a huge mistake here on this key step. and remember 0 TDS doesnt mean there is nothing it he water. many things removed by carbon and membrane's don't even register on TDS meters anyway. " you can possible but not likely, trash your system, and still see "0" tds on your final stage and not even know it you blew your Di resin in the first hour of running it from the crap thats on a brand new membrane from the manufacture process, or more likely ruin your membrane from the carbon block fines.
I also do the same "t dump valve "thing at the exit of the membrane to the DI portion of my system. So i may purge the first gallon of water i make each round of filling that comes off the membrane as its usual very high in TDS "FROM the TDS CREEP at he membrane location and carbon block location". and it does waste measurable capacity of my DI resin that would other wise be getting 1-0 tads water form my membrane after a few good minute of running. Then once its flushed and shows 2-3 TDS off the membrane usually a few minutes, i shut the t and put everything thru the stages as usual.

this is all over kill, but affords me longer life and I'm sure i have the best water i can make. I use all the basic TDS lil meter things that come with all the systems to check the various stages. one after the carbon block. one after the membrane, one after the max cap and on on the exit of the Final DI resin.

I have robbed off old systems and added a redundant carbon block and silica buster di resin at those locations because i make so much i may actually miss when a certain stage expires and end up with some bad water unknowingly so then the second back up redundant stage offers me short term protection till i trash the dead stage and install a new one. basically rotating them down the line.

-Carbon is something I'm not 100% trusting. and why i run two units in a row for a back up.

-I think adding a drinking water system to your RODI is up to you. But to be honest, IMO, most municipal water is far better for you, than the air you breath in a city environment and for me its not the first place I'd look to improve my personal health exposure. Unless you live in FLINT of course.
 
-I think adding a drinking water system to your RODI is up to you. But to be honest, IMO, most municipal water is far better for you, than the air you breath in a city environment and for me its not the first place I'd look to improve my personal health exposure. Unless you live in FLINT of course.

For me, the reason to add RO water for drinking and cooking has nothing to do with health and everything to do with I can't stand the taste of tap water. So for me and my wife, it is either buy bottled water or use the RO unit. Even using bottled water, my ice is still made with that nasty water. You can literally see a difference in the ice cubes that are made with RO water. Except for the very center of the cube, they are crystal clear. You sound like you have a nice system. I wish I had enough storage to mix an entire bucket of salt at once. That would be nice.
 
You linked to a drinking water RO system, not a reef RO/DI system. Get the refurbished reef system from Spectrapure for $112 and the drinking water kit from Purelyh2o for $70 and you will have a better system for less money. Don't waste your money on flush kits, they have absolutely no proven documented value other than lightening your wallet. If you were making DI water manually I would suggest a DI bypass valve but isolating the pressure tank from the DI pretty much takes care of TDS creep.

No a salinity meter will not work for testing the TDS in RO/DI or distilled water, the range is way too high and you want extreme low end accuracy, not at 32,000 TDS. If you want the best TDS meter for the hobbyist trade the HM Digital COM-100 is it, I love mine. They read down to tenths of a ppm TDS as well as being able to be used in three different modes.

We had our drinking water RO hooked to my first and second MaxCap systems as well as the AWI Typhoon III before that, probably 20 years. As long as you isolate it with the check valve it will be perfect for your use. I even went so far as to install a 14 gallon pressure tank to cut down on the cycling.
Today I have the MaxCap UHE-100 which will not work for drinking so have a separate RO for drinking, otherwise it would still be a single system.
 
I'll post pics on relative pieces form my post in a second uploading now..

My general advice is the hobby is great.. but to really go all out its expensive.. the extra lil bit of final to come success come at a huge cost to the hobbies.
many can do nearly as well with much much less when they understand the hobby, i have seen SW coral and fish in goldfish bowls that look better than most reef tanks.
its an amazing hobby. i focus on quality water to start the process.
MY rodi water quality is never the reason for any of my failures as it it with many other folks.
 

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