BTA and cipro no change pls help

[Jekyl]

The only level really that had to be reeled in was the nitrates and through the denitrifer I’m experimenting with, it brought them down by about a lil under 2ppm per day.

What product? This may be your cause.

 

[Jekyl]

This thread is what inspired me to give it a shot. https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/e...ic-treatments-for-brown-jelly-disease.782438/
He found that only a minuscule of good bac was affected. I’m done with the treatment period and no change occurred. My parameters didn’t seem to be affected either. They suggested a dose of MB7 after so I can if need be since I’ve got some of that on hand as well.

@Lost in the Sauce might know more about the in tank cirpo effects

 

[olonmv]

What product? This may be your cause.

No product. There’s a thread here on a media filled tube that houses all the denitrifiing bac. From what I gather it’s basically localized carbon dosing. You dose small amount of carbon through slowly flowed tube and in turn pumps out denitrified water. It’s brought my levels down from 36 in the beginning of sept to 11.5 where it is now.

 

[Lost in the Sauce]

I've full dosed in tank with my full anenome system as well as the mixed reef. Anecdotally, I have never seen an adverse reaction. There have been biome studies posted here that support Cipro not bombing your beneficial bacterial levels.

As for the nem in question, I would not start an additional round of treatment, especially seeing no change on the first round. I also don't attribute this to a nutrient swing. This guy looks a lot like a nem that I have who shriveled up a year ago from what I believe was chem warfare although in that tank, I don't see anyone for it to be fighting with.

I'd be focusing on water Stability, not specific numbers and running lots of fresh carbon.

 

[olonmv]

I've full dosed in tank with my full anenome system as well as the mixed reef. Anecdotally, I have never seen an adverse reaction. There have been biome studies posted here that support Cipro not bombing your beneficial bacterial levels.

As for the nem in question, I would not start an additional round of treatment, especially seeing no change on the first round. I also don't attribute this to a nutrient swing. This guy looks a lot like a nem that I have who shriveled up a year ago from what I believe was chem warfare although in that tank, I don't see anyone for it to be fighting with.

I'd be focusing on water Stability, not specific numbers and running lots of fresh carbon.

Ten four, I’ll just keep keepin and let the nem be. I’m glad you mentioned the carbon…dropped in some fresh carbon in the return about a half hour ago.

1 thing I forgot to mention. I suspended All for reef shortly after the nem started to get sick due to rising alk. Would restarting the dosing be a bad idea? Alk slowly crept from 8-9 up to 10 and rising so I stopped dosing.

 

[Lost in the Sauce]

Ten four, I’ll just keep keepin and let the nem be. I’m glad you mentioned the carbon…dropped in some fresh carbon in the return about a half hour ago.

1 thing I forgot to mention. I suspended All for reef shortly after the nem started to get sick due to rising alk. Would restarting the dosing be a bad idea? Alk slowly crept from 8-9 up to 10 and rising so I stopped dosing.

I would adjust the dosing to get back to stability in the 8-9 range.

 

[Tamberav]

I don't see much in there that would use alk. I mean you adjust the dose for consumption, if you have no consumption then you don't use it.

I am surprised water changes wouldn't keep nitrate in range. Although 30's isn't a problem.

 

[olonmv]

I would adjust the dosing to get back to stability in the 8-9 range.

I’ve cut dosing completely and it’s very slowly goin down. As mentioned by @Tamberav I have very little in there and what is in there uses virtually nothing in alk.

 

[olonmv]

I am surprised water changes wouldn't keep nitrate in range. Although 30's isn't a problem.

They did but I got caught right smack in the middle of the tropic Marin salt debacle and had just bought a bucket of the Turkish stuff and couldn’t bring myself to buy another bucket of a different brand so I rode it out with the little I had of blue bucket until I could get a replacement bucket. During that period I ran into the denitrifier thread and hadn’t changed my water since because N03 was being reduced as advertised. Dosing was handling the trace stuff and my tank doesn’t require much.

 

[Tamberav]

They did but I got caught right smack in the middle of the tropic Marin salt debacle and had just bought a bucket of the Turkish stuff and couldn’t bring myself to buy another bucket of a different brand so I rode it out with the little I had of blue bucket until I could get a replacement bucket. During that period I ran into the denitrifier thread and hadn’t changed my water since because N03 was being reduced as advertised. Dosing was handling the trace stuff and my tank doesn’t require much.

What do you dose?

Salt has 70 different trace elements.

Water changes are not just about replenishment but dilution of any pollutants and DOC's.

Considering it is a nano tank, I think you would find better outcomes with regular water changes. They are so easy and crazy how much they can revitalize a nano.

 

[olonmv]

What do you dose?

Salt has 70 different trace elements.

Water changes are not just about replenishment but dilution of any pollutants and DOC's.

Considering it is a nano tank, I think you would find better outcomes with regular water changes. They are so easy and crazy how much they can revitalize a nano.

ATM just vodka to the denitrifier. But I had been dosing A4R also. I know, it’s a nano and waterchanges are a breeze but no waterchanges are breezier lol. Besides I’m kinda tryna see if the whole minimalist approach of waterchanges is viable before goin with a bigger tank. The guy who inspired many with the denitrifier had gone over a year without wc and just dosed trace elements. His tank is/was beautiful. He’s since passed and I’m not sure the outcome of his setup.

 

[Tamberav]

ATM just vodka to the denitrifier. But I had been dosing A4R also. I know, it’s a nano and waterchanges are a breeze but no waterchanges are breezier lol. Besides I’m kinda tryna see if the whole minimalist approach of waterchanges is viable before goin with a bigger tank. The guy who inspired many with the denitrifier had gone over a year without wc and just dosed trace elements. His tank is/was beautiful. He’s since passed and I’m not sure the outcome of his setup.

Like I said... water changes also remove pollution, DOC's, toxins from warfare, etc.

I think you may want to try a different approach and see if it improves your outcomes now that you are trying more sensitive invertebrates. Worse case, it doesn't and you go back to what you were doing before.

Your nem is unwell, it could be 100000 things we can not test for, do a water change is generally the answer

 

[olonmv]

Like I said... water changes also remove pollution, DOC's, toxins from warfare, etc.

I think you may want to try a different approach and see if it improves your outcomes now that you are trying more sensitive invertebrates. Worse case, it doesn't and you go back to what you were doing before.

Your nem is unwell, it could be 100000 things we can not test for, do a water change is generally the answer

You’re absolutely right. I’ll do a large water change and see if it doesn’t improve things. I’ll just dose my change water to match my current nutrients. If it’s a pollutant there should be a quick improvement or am I assuming incorrectly?

 

[Tamberav]

You’re absolutely right. I’ll do a large water change and see if it doesn’t improve things. I’ll just dose my change water to match my current nutrients. If it’s a pollutant there should be a quick improvement or am I assuming incorrectly?

I think it will take time to recover. The nem looks shrunken.

 

[olonmv]

I think it will take time to recover. The nem looks shrunken.

 

[Tamberav]

If it still is holding on and I don't see any gaping holes in the flesh... then ya there is a chance.

A definite goner nem usually rots away from the mouth out and smells like absolute death.

 

[olonmv]

If it still is holding on and I don't see any gaping holes in the flesh... then ya there is a chance.

A goner nem usually rots away from the mouth out and smells like absolute death.

Suhweeet! Thanks for the bid of confidence!

 

[olonmv]

Replaced about 30% of water, I plan on doin another big WC over the weekend.. Added a tad of N03 and over did it a lil with the P04. Instead of kicking myself over the over dose of p04 I decided to stretch the water change over the course of a couple of days and let my display naturally bring my levels down. Anemone is still planted to rock work and still looks upset. I’ll touch base again in a few days to show where I stand.

 

[olonmv]

Update: I’ve left the nem alone and let it do its thing and it’s been everywhere in my tank. Looks to be in a happy spot for now and is making a recovery. It accepts food and also catch’s out of the water column.

 

[olonmv]

Update: rapidly on the mend!