Can someone check my work quickly?

[Glass Algae]

Wanna make sure I have the steps right for acclimating my new urchin when it comes

Temp float bag SEALED for 30 mins to 45 mins

Open bag and check salinity

Transfer to my holding Tupperware and start drip acclimation

3 to 4 drips per second for about 45 mins to an hour

Then in it goes.

Now note that my shipment is late by a few hours should still be here today but will be arriving a bit late. Should I extra float time for temp? Prolong the drip? Or continue on as usual?

Any notes here would be valued!


*edit. It is a pincushion urchin on the smaller side.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Wanna make sure I have the steps right for acclimating my new urchin when it comes

Temp float bag SEALED for 30 mins to 45 mins

Open bag and check salinity

Transfer to my holding Tupperware and start drip acclimation

3 to 4 drips per second for about 45 mins to an hour

Then in it goes.

Now note that my shipment is late by a few hours should still be here today but will be arriving a bit late. Should I extra float time for temp? Prolong the drip? Or continue on as usual?

Any notes here would be valued!


*edit. It is a pincushion urchin on the smaller side.

I’m not a fan of drip method although Will work. Empty into clean container and add cup of tank water every 15min until salinity is close and slowly release once achieved
All else looks good

 

[gabrieltackitt]

I agree with Vetteguy. Skip the drip acclimation for anything that was shipped, match salinity and then toss it in. The less time it spends in the shipping water, the better.

 

[Glass Algae]

I’m not a fan of drip method although Will work. Empty into clean container and add cup of tank water every 15min until salinity is close and slowly release once achieved
All else looks good

I'm not a fan of it myself as I always end up dealing with a temp issue which is why I always liked floating and doing cups or half cups of water every 15 but had just heard I verts were sensitive. If I cna get away from regular acclimation that would be stellar

 

[Glass Algae]

I agree with Vetteguy. Skip the drip acclimation for anything that was shipped, match salinity and then toss it in. The less time it spends in the shipping water, the better.

I'm so happy to hear this haha tyty

 

[eggplantparrot]

both urchins I have (1x baby banded long spine now over 6 inches tip to tip and 1 x pincushion) were just plopped straight into the display. both are just fine.

 

[sfin52]

I’m not a fan of drip method although Will work. Empty into clean container and add cup of tank water every 15min until salinity is close and slowly release once achieved
All else looks good

I'm not a fan of it myself as I always end up dealing with a temp issue which is why I always liked floating and doing cups or half cups of water every 15 but had just heard I verts were sensitive. If I cna get away from regular acclimation that would be stellar

I have lost a whole lot less now that I skip the acclimation. If you read most of the shippers instructions float and drop in. They won't cover if you drip.

 

[sfin52]

both urchins I have (1x baby banded long spine now over 6 inches tip to tip and 1 x pincushion) were just plopped straight into the display. both are just fine.

Thats what indid with my rock urchin

 

[Cell]

Temp acclimate and drop inverts.

 

[Glass Algae]

I am so happy to hear the feedback here. I hate drip acclimating as the bucket always gets too cold for my liking.

So game plan is to temp float the urchin for 30 mins
check salinity /temp
If salinity is off do some bag tank exhange

Then drop in.

Ty so much all. Really took the stress out of this.

I need to invest in a flat heater to truly drip in my Oregon climate.

Anyone have an idea of how long I should let him settle in before I worry if I don't see him at night? Or is a loss if alot of spines the tell tale sign of imminent death.

 

[Glass Algae]

For sure. Something interesting with jawbreakers that I haven't noticed with other species of shrooms is under stress ive actually seen the mom pull that little piece of foot/half developed baby back in and pretty much absorb it back into foot. Had it happen a few times with one particular shroom now. Maybe its a defense mechanism and its sensing that its not a good time to propagate. Idk

both urchins I have (1x baby banded long spine now over 6 inches tip to tip and 1 x pincushion) were just plopped straight into the display. both are just fine.

I have lost a whole lot less now that I skip the acclimation. If you read most of the shippers instructions float and drop in. They won't cover if you drip.

Temp acclimate and drop inverts.

With floating and dropping in. Do you just sealed bag float for 45 mins then drop em in after opening the bag (obv no store water) or do u acclimate bag open for a little while as well?

Also are urchins like shrimp where you don't want them touching open air or can I remove from bag and place on live rock with a moment of air in between the movements

 

[MaxTremors]

For inverts and fish that are from a local lfs, temp acclimate and then, as mentioned, add a cup of water every 10 minutes or so until salinity is within 0.001 (less sensitive fish you can add the cup of water every 5 minutes). If they are shipped, just float them and then put them in the tank (the water is full of ammonia and CO2, which drops the PH making the ammonia less toxic, as soon as the bag is opened the CO2 dissipates, which raises the PH and makes the ammonia toxic), if they are very sensitive fish or inverts, you can acclimate them as above, but you need to add some Prime or other ammonia neutralizing agent. For corals, regardless of where you got them, float them/temp acclimate them, then dip them, and then put them in the tank, drip acclimating them is unnecessary and is more stressful than just putting them in the tank where they get flow and can respirate.

The recommendation to drip acclimate everything is at best a waste of time and at worst is actually detrimental. Corals specifically do better without, people who recommend drip acclimating corals fundamentally don’t understand how corals work, they take in and expel water through diffusion, they are self acclimating. Getting them into clean, flowing water as soon as possible is the best thing you can do.

 

[Glass Algae]

For inverts and fish that are from a local lfs, temp acclimate and then, as mentioned, add a cup of water every 10 minutes or so until salinity is within 0.001 (less sensitive fish you can add the cup of water every 5 minutes). If they are shipped, just float them and then put them in the tank (the water is full of ammonia and CO2, which drops the PH making the ammonia less toxic, as soon as the bag is opened the CO2 dissipates, which raises the PH and makes the ammonia toxic), if they are very sensitive fish or inverts, you can acclimate them as above, but you need to add some Prime or other ammonia neutralizing agent. For corals, regardless of where you got them, float them/temp acclimate them, then dip them, and then put them in the tank, drip acclimating them is unnecessary and is more stressful than just putting them in the tank where they get flow and can respirate.

The recommendation to drip acclimate everything is at best a waste of time and at worst is actually detrimental. Corals specifically do better without, people who recommend drip acclimating corals fundamentally don’t understand how corals work, they take in and expel water through diffusion, they are self acclimating. Getting them into clean, flowing water as soon as possible is the best thing you can do.

Yeah with corals I've always just temp,
Dipped, rinse and added. I was unsure of the urchin especially being that itbis shipped and now running late (was supposed to be here at 10am it is now 2:06pm) so I was unsure what I should do to ensure high survival rate.

If I can get away with temp acclimating for 30 to 45 mins and dropping it in I'll be a happy camper just don't want to shock the Lil spikey guy whether it be any parameters.

Drip acclimation has cost me a few inverts thankfully none expensive. From what I can gather was from as you said ammonia spikes upon opening and dumping into a bucket for drip.

 

[GoReefin]

I used to drip acclimate back in 2011 when I had a 90g. Since I restarted with my nano tanks I've never acclimated other than temperature. Never had any problems.

 

[REEFTIDE]

IMO the additional time in the bag I would go without... and the 45 minute drip.
You have to consider, it'll likely come with very little water. In about 15 minutes the temp should come up to match. Anything beyond that isn't necessarily needed. If you drip it for 45 mines with that slow a drip you'll find that the water may cool to room temp instead of tank temp calling for another float. If your salinity is really off I would do a drip if not I would just use the cup method. You want it to go into your tank as soon as possible while still matching salinity pretty close.

 

[sfin52]

Yeah with corals I've always just temp,
Dipped, rinse and added. I was unsure of the urchin especially being that itbis shipped and now running late (was supposed to be here at 10am it is now 2:06pm) so I was unsure what I should do to ensure high survival rate.

If I can get away with temp acclimating for 30 to 45 mins and dropping it in I'll be a happy camper just don't want to shock the Lil spikey guy whether it be any parameters.

Drip acclimation has cost me a few inverts thankfully none expensive. From what I can gather was from as you said ammonia spikes upon opening and dumping into a bucket for drip.

Shrimp and urchins can be exposed to air starfish i wouldn't if at all possible. Sponges not at all.

 

[sfin52]

I just float everything and drop them in. 2 to 3 car ride. I can't get anything local that I trust. My lfs are terrible

 

[Glass Algae]

IMO the additional time in the bag I would go without... and the 45 minute drip.
You have to consider, it'll likely come with very little water. In about 15 minutes the temp should come up to match. Anything beyond that isn't necessarily needed. If you drip it for 45 mines with that slow a drip you'll find that the water may cool to room temp instead of tank temp calling for another float. If your salinity is really off I would do a drip if not I would just use the cup method. You want it to go into your tank as soon as possible while still matching salinity pretty close.

Seems like the general concensus. I'm going to float it for 30 mins and then check salinity and drop it in like snails if salinity is close. I got it from wwc so the only diff between my tank and their stated params is my trates are way lower than 30ppm haha

 

[Glass Algae]

Shrimp and urchins can be exposed to air starfish i wouldn't if at all possible. Sponges not at all.

Ty for this I knew starfish and Sponges were a no go. Always thiught shrimp were the same way tbh! Good to know!

 

[GoReefin]

Seems like the general concensus. I'm going to float it for 30 mins and then check salinity and drop it in like snails if salinity is close. I got it from wwc so the only diff between my tank and their stated params is my trates are way lower than 30ppm haha

15 minute float should be fine.