Can water be too clean for LPS?

So you are saying that low nutrient can just harm the lps?
My tank has stopped raising algae and i tested the parameteres and they were almost zero.I have fed them some times with shrimps,but i think they dont like it very much.Any suggestions?

I want to be careful here and state that I don't mean to imply that low nutrients in and of themselves are "harmful" to LPS, its just been my personal experience that keeping a very low nutrient system (nitrates and phosphates undetectable) seemed to have detrimental effects on some of my lps. To combat this issue I began spot feeding EACH AND EVERY lps in my tank (don't feed any sps) and all lps seemed to have not only recovered, but thrive.

I know there is tons of debate on feeding vs not feeding corals, and I'm sure there are thousands of reefers with growing lps that never feed, but here is my PERSONAL OPINON (by no means an expert on coral) on LPS.... any coral that displays such a voracious reaction to foods and eating (thinking about my scolys and wellso brains) must have adapted those eating responses for a reason, combine that with the general knowledge in the aquarium trade that LPS do seem to enjoy slightly nutrient rich water I made the decision to start feeding mine after seeing some suffer when i began to drop my water nutrient levels.... and the results I saw in my personal tank have convinced me to continue it.

So my personal advice (what has worked for me) is keeping low nutrient levels (so as to avoid algae growth), and thus feeding the lps. I personally don't like using shrimp as even cut into smaller pieces that is a rather large meal for a coral to digest, and thus probably takes a ton of energy to do so. The feeding method I use mainly is as follows:

Take a shot glass, and put about half a scoop of reef chili (brs freeze dried coral foods) into it. Then I fill the shot glass with water, and mix up all the freeze dried foods to rehydrate them. I will then add the LPS pellet food (i exclusively use Ultra lps pellets by fauna marin). I let them soak for just a few minutes while I shut down all the flow in the tank. Then i use "julians thing" (turkey baster would accomplish same thing) and mix the glass up and suck up a bunch of the pellets along with the now nutrient rich water (full of the rehydrated reef chili). I then go around the tank and drop the pellets onto each and ever lps "head" (including all acans, hammers, frogspawn etc. So each time i squirt some pellets onto each coral it gets not only the pellets, but also a lot of the tiny particles of the freeze dried food (ensuring multiple food sources). All of my LPS display an immediate response to the pellets, and begin pulling them into their mouths.

Again this is my own personal experience in my system, but I have seen nothing but great results with my coral. Excellent color, all corals that were suffering have regrown tissue, and many are sprouting new heads and mouths at a quick rate. So take it for what its worth, but its just my opinion that any corals with a propensity for nutrient rich water and strong feeding response clearly require more than just adequate lighting levels, and thus I try and provide them with these foods every 3 days at night.
 
I want to be careful here and state that I don't mean to imply that low nutrients in and of themselves are "harmful" to LPS, its just been my personal experience that keeping a very low nutrient system (nitrates and phosphates undetectable) seemed to have detrimental effects on some of my lps. To combat this issue I began spot feeding EACH AND EVERY lps in my tank (don't feed any sps) and all lps seemed to have not only recovered, but thrive.

I know there is tons of debate on feeding vs not feeding corals, and I'm sure there are thousands of reefers with growing lps that never feed, but here is my PERSONAL OPINON (by no means an expert on coral) on LPS.... any coral that displays such a voracious reaction to foods and eating (thinking about my scolys and wellso brains) must have adapted those eating responses for a reason, combine that with the general knowledge in the aquarium trade that LPS do seem to enjoy slightly nutrient rich water I made the decision to start feeding mine after seeing some suffer when i began to drop my water nutrient levels.... and the results I saw in my personal tank have convinced me to continue it.

So my personal advice (what has worked for me) is keeping low nutrient levels (so as to avoid algae growth), and thus feeding the lps. I personally don't like using shrimp as even cut into smaller pieces that is a rather large meal for a coral to digest, and thus probably takes a ton of energy to do so. The feeding method I use mainly is as follows:

Take a shot glass, and put about half a scoop of reef chili (brs freeze dried coral foods) into it. Then I fill the shot glass with water, and mix up all the freeze dried foods to rehydrate them. I will then add the LPS pellet food (i exclusively use Ultra lps pellets by fauna marin). I let them soak for just a few minutes while I shut down all the flow in the tank. Then i use "julians thing" (turkey baster would accomplish same thing) and mix the glass up and suck up a bunch of the pellets along with the now nutrient rich water (full of the rehydrated reef chili). I then go around the tank and drop the pellets onto each and ever lps "head" (including all acans, hammers, frogspawn etc. So each time i squirt some pellets onto each coral it gets not only the pellets, but also a lot of the tiny particles of the freeze dried food (ensuring multiple food sources). All of my LPS display an immediate response to the pellets, and begin pulling them into their mouths.

Again this is my own personal experience in my system, but I have seen nothing but great results with my coral. Excellent color, all corals that were suffering have regrown tissue, and many are sprouting new heads and mouths at a quick rate. So take it for what its worth, but its just my opinion that any corals with a propensity for nutrient rich water and strong feeding response clearly require more than just adequate lighting levels, and thus I try and provide them with these foods every 3 days at night.
Thank you for sharing information.
 
I agree with go29 and should have mentioned this... I also target feed my LPS like the Duncans and Acans at least twice a week. I use LRS Reef Frenzy and just broadcast feed the rest. I have cyphastrea and chalice that are doing just fine and growing. I feed kind of heavily for my 7 fish, but have a skimmer rated for a 200 gallon tank on a 40 breeder with about 50 gallons total water.
 
@go29 & @Salt Creep - Do you guys run anything like carbon or bio-pellets in your tank as well? Interested in knowing as I'm in the same boat and have been working on feeding more.
 
@go29 & @Salt Creep - Do you guys run anything like carbon or bio-pellets in your tank as well? Interested in knowing as I'm in the same boat and have been working on feeding more.

I tumble GFO and have activated carbon above it in a single BRS reactor. Other than that I just have an extremely oversized skimmer. I do not dose carbon or run bio-pellets
 
I'm running activated carbon, and some thrive bio-pellets and I do have a oversized skimmer (wouldn't say extremely). I'm debating on turning off my bio-pellets, I do have some decent growth on my zoas but I'm wondering if I'm running my water to clean as well.
 
I'm running activated carbon, and some thrive bio-pellets and I do have a oversized skimmer (wouldn't say extremely). I'm debating on turning off my bio-pellets, I do have some decent growth on my zoas but I'm wondering if I'm running my water to clean as well.
I went through this about 8 months ago. I was running bio-pellets, phosguard, carbon, skimmer, water changes and fewer fish due to dieing.

Nitrates 0
Phosphates 0

Everything else was optimal.
It took about 4 months and then my sps started paling and then dieing.
I took phosguard, carbon and Bio-pellets off line.

I had to feed twice a day for 2 weeks just bring things around. I finally has a phosphate and nitrate reading. Now I dose nitrates to keep around 3 to 5 ppm. Everything is fine.

I have chaeto and run carbon only to clean water a few hours a week. I skim and water change.
 
IMO the change was from the reduction of no3 and po4
 
What is your lighting schedule?

As far as feeding Lps, maybe instead of feeding once every two weeks and increasing to twice a week, take it a little slower with once a week. Lights help provide carbs for the corals exponentially. Too much food can have adverse reactions especially with fast changes in short amount of time. I feed reef roids and saw a huge phosphate increase with feeding twice a week.
Instead i feed corals brine or mysis on Wednesday, for example. Then i feed reef roids on sunday right before water change. Doing this kept phosphates low and my sps happy. Its that balance. Just my thoughts.
 
Could a quick dip in this rx shot help?
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Use Bayer.

It is the Least Stressful (And Most Effective) Dip for Coral and your LPS are already Stressed.

I have stopped Chalice Recession by using Bayer.
 
Thanks for the tip! I feed reef roids maybe once every 2 weeks with Julian thing. I will step it up to twice a week and see what happens. That makes alot of sense to me though.

Worked for me.

I Love Reef Roids.
 
@go29 & @Salt Creep - Do you guys run anything like carbon or bio-pellets in your tank as well? Interested in knowing as I'm in the same boat and have been working on feeding more.

No Carbon
No GFO
No Pellets or Reactors of Any Kind.
No Skimmer

KISS (Keep it Simple Stupid)

All that stuff Strips Nutrients out of the Water and Slows Down Growth Severley.
 
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Look at lowering alk, it can cause issues with cleaner water

Is that true for all Corals?

I have heard you need Lower Alkalinity for Acros in Low Nutrient Systems many many times.

But I have never heard that mentioned for Softies and LPS.
 

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