Candy Apple Reds

[btkrausen]

our LFS carries these. hmmm. I'm interested to see if you like 'em.

Me too I'm just a few hours from Premium, so if they ship out Monday, I'll get them Tuesday. Will def post the results and come pics when they come in.

 

[Nanofins]

I've been using the Ecoxotic Panorama modules like you have pictured for a while now and love mine. Way better than the Current Powerbrites, IMO. The spread and color is very nice and the intensity is very good as well. Don't know about the Reefbrites, but I have no complaints about my Panoramas.

And yes, even with somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 different palys, I still love my CARs. It's hard to beat those nice colors.

 

[btkrausen]

I've been using the Ecoxotic Panorama modules like you have pictured for a while now and love mine. Way better than the Current Powerbrites, IMO. The spread and color is very nice and the intensity is very good as well. Don't know about the Reefbrites, but I have no complaints about my Panoramas.

And yes, even with somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 different palys, I still love my CARs. It's hard to beat those nice colors.

Thanks, I tried out the modules, and they didn't make a huge difference without dropping them much closer than where I want them to hang.

 

[nuff40]

If those are the blues, I have one and it really makes the colors pop when it alone is on. However, when the rest of the LED's are on it is not that noticeable. The colors are not quite what I expected either, but still awfully nice to look at. Course, mine are about 3" from the water surface, so I get the full impact on my little tank.

Those CAR's would look awfully sweet in my tank.....:bigsmile:

 

[btkrausen]

If those are the blues, I have one and it really makes the colors pop when it alone is on. However, when the rest of the LED's are on it is not that noticeable. The colors are not quite what I expected either, but still awfully nice to look at. Course, mine are about 3" from the water surface, so I get the full impact on my little tank.

Those CAR's would look awfully sweet in my tank.....:bigsmile:

Drive on down and I'll cut some off for you. My colony just grows like crazy. I've cut it down to 20 polyps a few months ago, and now its back to probably 50+

 

[Nanofins]

Thanks, I tried out the modules, and they didn't make a huge difference without dropping them much closer than where I want them to hang.

Not sure what kind of lights you are running, but you would need a lot of LED power to make a significant visible difference in your tank with the daylights on. Most blue LEDs are going to be overwhelmed by the full power of the daytime lights. Since the Panorama modules don't have any real optics/lenses, they spread the light out more evenly and don't penetrate as intensely, but if you want a powerful moonlight/blue light for standalone that will cover a decent area, they're pretty well suited for the job. I have one running with a 150w HQI (20K Radium), both at the same height. Looks fantastic when the halides are off, but you'd be hard-pressed to see much difference when they're on. Same thing on my T-5-lit tank; slight difference, but not dramatic until you turn off the other lights.

 

[btkrausen]

Not sure what kind of lights you are running, but you would need a lot of LED power to make a significant visible difference in your tank with the daylights on. Most blue LEDs are going to be overwhelmed by the full power of the daytime lights. Since the Panorama modules don't have any real optics/lenses, they spread the light out more evenly and don't penetrate as intensely, but if you want a powerful moonlight/blue light for standalone that will cover a decent area, they're pretty well suited for the job. I have one running with a 150w HQI (20K Radium), both at the same height. Looks fantastic when the halides are off, but you'd be hard-pressed to see much difference when they're on. Same thing on my T-5-lit tank; slight difference, but not dramatic until you turn off the other lights.

Thanks. I have been going by what some others have posted about the LED supplementation on here. It still seems to be a matter of opinion, as some people has concurred with your statement, yet others stay they see a noticeable difference even with their daylights on. I might see how bright these modules are by themselves, without the lights on, before I send them back. Thanks for the info

 

[zigzag]

Wow..looks like they are starting to morph a little. If the yellow becomes more dominant I would say they look pretty close or spot on with the new "bowser". They are going for crazy money right now. I beleave the "bowser is just a morph anyway of candy apple oranges/red.

I would put my savings on it actually. :tongue:

 

[zigzag]

Btw extremly nice shot and coral my friend.

 

[btkrausen]

Wow..looks like they are starting to morph a little. If the yellow becomes more dominant I would say they look pretty close or spot on with the new "bowser". They are going for crazy money right now. I beleave the "bowser is just a morph anyway of candy apple oranges/red.

I would put my savings on it actually. :tongue:

Haha, thanks. I really wasn't even aware of the Bowser zoas until somebody brought it up in this thread. In my polyps, the yellow is a little brigher in some than others. The skirts on the ones closer to the top are more red than the ones around the front. Also, all my polpys have long "trunks" so to speak, which leaves me to believe they aren't getting enough light. I'm going to frag some off and put them much higher as a test.

 

[zigzag]

These look similar.

CoralPedia.com :: 5-Colors Rainbow

Bowser
CoralPedia.com :: Bowser Paly

 

[zigzag]

1 + That sounds awsome. I am very interested to see if the lose or gain more yellow. There has been some huge fights and discussions about this being a morph or not (bowser). Usually defended by the ones who pay $200.00 + a polyp :crossedlips: !!!

I think your picture really shows how easy these things change and morph or alter. Def frag some and move them around. Keep this thread going with your results.

Zac

 

[zigzag]

Sorry for lighting up your thread. But here is another good pic.

CAR's on the left bowser on the right.

CoralPedia.com :: Bowser Paly on the right, Candy Apple Red on the left

Notice the bowser's stalk is elongated like yours..ala..not recieving a lot of light. Which seems to have brought out the yellow in your case and maybe chipcounts. So it seems. I have some CAR's my self and am going to shove a frag in a shaded area and see if it brings out the yellow.

Do you feed or do anything out of the ordinary with your corals ?

 

[Nanofins]

Kinda funny Bowsers keep getting dragged into the fight with CARs. People really want their CARs to be Bowsers. They're both sweet palys. I would have to say that the Bowsers share more similarity with CAOs than CARs, but they're all part of the same group, IMO. The Bowsers have an orange disc color with a reddish outer fringe, whereas some CARs display a bit of yellow between the green and red, and they don't usually have a blue center around the mouth. There's no way a CAR is going to morph into a Bowser, and believe me people have been saying it and trying it without success. The only variation I've seen in the Bowser polyps is that some have a little bit of red on the fringe while others are almost totally orange--looking even more like a CAO. Haven't seen any with red dominating the disk and a yellow transition. They're all nice, but each slightly different.

This picture illustrates the Bowser colors pretty well. You can see the top, older polyp has the clear red-orange border on the disk, whereas the younger polyp is mostly orange. A very big similarity to CAO, but not a morph of CARs I've ever seen. Sorry to follow this topic away from the CARs; that's what this thread is about and they're worth their own appreciation, but the Bowsers are worth defending too. Not defending the price though; I think zoa prices have gotten out of hand myself.

 

[btkrausen]

Heck, even without the fancy names, I'd be excited if mine ended up looking like that. I've seen a ton of threads, not necessarily on R2R, about polyps that morphed and were then called something else. I completely realize that these same exact polyps in my tank may look almost completely different in another tank.

Thanks for the write on those Bowsers

 

[zigzag]

1+ Agreed ..They def represent CAO rather than CAR. I beleave thats where they morphed from as i stated earlier.


Very nice none the less. Would love to have some.

 

[nuff40]

Drive on down and I'll cut some off for you. My colony just grows like crazy. I've cut it down to 20 polyps a few months ago, and now its back to probably 50+

u just may get a visit from me this weekend, my friend. I'll get in touch to get your phone before I leave town if I decide to go ahead. Been away for two weeks and going to have quite a bit to do to get caught up before I head out again on Monday...:squigglemouth:

 

[Nanofins]

I beleave thats where they morphed from as i stated earlier.

While they do have a similarity to CAO, I do not believe they "morphed" from them. To say a zoa morphed from another indicates it is the exact same, from the same genetic stock, and is simply displaying a latent variation under differing conditions. This also would suggest that if they were returned to the original conditions that they would then morph back. While zoas and palys will vary under different conditions, these changes only remain as long as the conditions remain. I haven't seen any situations where a variety of zoa has undergone a permanent change due to lighting/water parameters/injury and then retained these changes even when returned to the original set of conditions. Many/most zoas have a spectrum of physiology that they can move across, but I would not recognize these as a truly new type of paly. To me, it's a difference of a change of genotype vs. phenotype. Given that definition, one would expect that if two morphs of the same paly were put in the same conditions, they would eventually look the same, or that there would be a set of conditions under which the same appearance could be achieved for both. This does not apply to the Bowsers and CAO/CAR. Just as CARs won't become CAOs, neither will they change into Bowsers, though they all share enough similarities that they would be put in the same type-group. Bowsers were not developed from CAOs, they simply have a similarity, just like whammin' watermelons and eagle eyes and many of the "deepwater" zoas do to each other.

 

[zigzag]

Maybe I have the morph thing wrong? Like the hornets. There are several zoanthids that are a blue mouth or alternating skirt colors away from being a "hornet" but are not because they lack a few of those. I am sure you have seen them they are super close. Those are not morphsor evolved zoanthids?? They are their own type of zoanthid? I think maybe I have always understood the word "morph" being used like evolved or changed. I always took it as a zoanthid could change chararistics and maintain them through diffrent params and conditions if it was in their dna to do so..hence why there is so many diffrent kinds and colors with the same patterns..like deepwater's.I have heard of vendors feeding their clps for instant certain foods to get them to change/morph and then selling them under their own fabricated names...they are pretty well respected and ppl seem to not have a problem with them retaining color as their rep is great...How does that work?

Please further enlighten me on this subject a little more. I think i have this backwords. I am always down for learning something new or fixing what i thought i did! Cheers

Zac

 

[btkrausen]

u just may get a visit from me this weekend, my friend. I'll get in touch to get your phone before I leave town if I decide to go ahead. Been away for two weeks and going to have quite a bit to do to get caught up before I head out again on Monday...:squigglemouth:

Sounds good to me. Saturday is better, since I'm flying out to Dallas on Sunday for the week.