Captive bred angels suck

[Wildreefs]

Ok. Most of the importers here, or Tran shippers bring them from Palau to here directly, maybe only a fraction of the ones here from palua go to the holding vats stateside , the rest hit wholesalers and the stores only

 

[Dave1993]

Almost?! That surpasses black tang territory over here.

how much are black tangs over here

 

[csund]

That would probably be in Palau. The holding vats in the states where I believe they are grown out are bio secure. They still recommend QT as a practice thus me saying it has to be up to the hobbyist.

They are initially held in ocean water then transferred to holding vats. How is that bio secure? Source?

 

[Wildreefs]

They are initially held in ocean water then transferred to holding vats. How is that bio secure? Source?

There no more qtd or clean then a fish caught off the beach

 

[areefer01]

They are initially held in ocean water then transferred to holding vats. How is that bio secure? Source?

I do not claim to know how they run their production line. I've heard a few talks about how they do work in Palau vs the states. The information is out there and it is a good listen if you haven't already. Grow out is in the states, at least my understanding but I can of course be incorrect. This is off their portal page / FAQ as it gets asked a lot. There are also several posts on other forums discussing it. Let us not argue about what is, and is not, biosecure or what it means. They have a lot tied up in production and I'd wager take great care to keep it running without contamination. That is a lot of downtime no one wants.

I have a variety of Biot fish such as matted file fish, radial filefish, sapphire damsels, forktail blenny, goldline rabbitfish, and starry goby. Waiting on the Milletseeds or the rumored Potters.

Do I need to quarantine your fish?

Although our distribution facility is biosecure and we only receive shipments from our breeders, we do suggest all hobbyists quarantine livestock regardless of vendor. It is good practice to ensure you're only adding the healthiest and most ready livestock to your display aquarium. We do advise against prophylactically treating with harsh treatments as some of our livestock is sensitive to specific treatments.

We highly advise against immediately treating our animals when they arrive. Please give a few days to allow them to acclimate to their new surroundings before prophylactically treating you do decide to treat.

 

[i cant think]

how much are black tangs over here

Last time I saw one, £1,500 for a 2-3 inch juvenile, as a 4-5 inch specimen that it is now it could probably go for 2-3 thousand but it’s not for sale.

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

Last time I saw one, £1,500 for a 2-3 inch juvenile, as a 4-5 inch specimen that it is now it could probably go for 2-3 thousand but it’s not for sale.

Wow...that's ridiculous... shipping simply doesn't justify that

 

[fisherdonk]

More sustainable though.

 

[i cant think]

Wow...that's ridiculous... shipping simply doesn't justify that

It’s worse than a gem tang now, Atleast their price is dropping, still high but not what they used to be, I think it was 1.5k aswell, now it’s 500 for a smallish juvenile gem.

 

[livinlifeinBKK]

More sustainable though.

I don't think the right path to sustainability is just to inflate prices to the point very few people can afford them

 

[Dave1993]

It’s worse than a gem tang now, Atleast their price is dropping, still high but not what they used to be, I think it was 1.5k aswell, now it’s 500 for a smallish juvenile gem.

could get a 3-4inch 1 for 495 right now gem that is not black

 

[Mark Gray]

Sorry for your loss, my understanding of these Regal's is they must be fed several times a day. I am going to try to get to Indonesia this year, my friends mother is a good friend of Wen-Ping Su. I hope this loss was a one off. I am also one that believes if we don't get our house in order the Governments of the world will do it for us. Fiji, is one Hawaii, is another.

 

[Wildreefs]

Hopefully. 2 of 3 dead, have gotten some messages on here expressing similar outcome. Personally I think biota is junk, have tried there mandarins in the past and they never ate. Not really technically bred either, more like tank raised, there hatched in seawater , not sterile, no different than a spawn offshore then caught and brought into vats. Just not worth the price tag

 

[DeniseAndy]

I have had good luck with my Biota fish, but I only have the small gobies and the mandarins. All good and healthy (only deaths once acclimated were my fault with water changes and jump).

 

[i cant think]

I have had good luck with my Biota fish, but I only have the small gobies and the mandarins. All good and healthy (only deaths once acclimated were my fault with water changes and jump).

I've had the same experience, i'm pretty sure my yasha was biota CB and he's been with me for over 2 years now. Healthy as he was when he was 1 inch and just introduced. I havent attempted the harder to own species that Biota have CB yet though.

 

[JaimeAdams]

Sorry for your loss, my understanding of these Regal's is they must be fed several times a day. I am going to try to get to Indonesia this year, my friends mother is a good friend of Wen-Ping Su. I hope this loss was a one off. I am also one that believes if we don't get our house in order the Governments of the world will do it for us. Fiji, is one Hawaii, is another.

My issue with what you say here is that both HI and Fiji were completely sustainable. Walt Smith replanted the Reefs with 10% of everything that he grew. Even in the media talking about shutting down Fiji corals the tale about trying to figure out how to do something like WSI was already doing for years. That was 100% government ignorance.

Hawaii was the most studied and controlled fisheries in the world with every scientific date point proving 100% sustainability. That was your friendly PETA lobbyists not us getting our house in order.

Granted your argument does hold true for other regions of the world, just not the two you cite.

 

[Mark Gray]

My issue with what you say here is that both HI and Fiji were completely sustainable. Walt Smith replanted the Reefs with 10% of everything that he grew. Even in the media talking about shutting down Fiji corals the tale about trying to figure out how to do something like WSI was already doing for years. That was 100% government ignorance.

Hawaii was the most studied and controlled fisheries in the world with every scientific date point proving 100% sustainability. That was your friendly PETA lobbyists not us getting our house in order.

Granted your argument does hold true for other regions of the world, just not the two you cite.

I 100% agree, I really don't know to much about Hawaii, but Fiji was influenced by the UN. I really hope these fish will make it in the industry. I tried a pair of CB Singapore angels, they were very hardy, and they ate everything literally. This is why I don't have them anymore. I would love to try one of these Regal's, but I will have to get rid of a powder blue tang for sure and maybe a trigger to. The biggest thing I worry about is I can't be here all the time to feed it. Good luck and sorry for your loss.

 

[areefer01]

I don't think the right path to sustainability is just to inflate prices to the point very few people can afford them

But you do understand that isn't what dictates the price. There is so much work going on behind the curtain that it isn't even funny.

 

[areefer01]

I have had good luck with my Biota fish, but I only have the small gobies and the mandarins. All good and healthy (only deaths once acclimated were my fault with water changes and jump).

Starry goby is just an amazing creature. Not sure if that is what you have but when you said goby that was the first that jumped in my mind. Then again I'm biased and all in with Biota and Bali.

 

[tautog83]

I guess if you had all these bad experiences before why did you buy 3 more ? I think like jay said the size is biggest problem and it's just stressful for a fish that's 1". I think all the breeders knew how big of a demand the regals would bring and let's face it the quicker they get to market the more money they make . It's like buying the first year of a new car , ya have to wait and see what problems pop up. I'm not saying it's right but let's face it this is the future of the hobby .