Chalice pricing and LE discussion thread.
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chadfarmer
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I wasnt going to say anything but lets enjoy this hobby
I know I do
I know I do
Amen! well said Bob...if I see a coral I want whether it's LE/AE or not I don't really care, all I know is I want that coral and in most cases it will cost a pretty penny to obtain it. I'm just like Bob I like to buy nice pieces and grow them out and stare at them all day and all night long
and if perchance I want to frag a few pieces to make a few bucks to supply my reef addcition I too will do that but why should I charge $120 for one of my frags when everybody else and their brother is charging $200 for the same piece, no I'm gonna charge the $200. That's just good business senseI also don't like when people use a well established corals name that has no resemblence whatsoever to the original as a marketing tool, at least be original and let the beauty of the coral talk for itself and come up with an original name. If somebody wants to call their coral LE/AE whatever, that doesn't mean a whole lot to me personally, it's when they take an imposter coral and try to pass it off as the original and charge a ridiculous amount of money for it, when in reality it may not even be the same species! If you want to make money off of frags/corals then by all means you have every right in the world to do that just don't be schmuck about it! If the coral looks like it's worth $300 dollars to you then good, if not see ya later on to the next...crying about the cost of corals isn't going to make them go down in price, I have to pay for them just like the next guy, as long as someone is willing to pay for an expensive coral they will, it's all about supply and demand, this country was raised on it..... Caveat Emptor!!
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pookstreet
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I remember back in the day when I struggled just to keep fish alive. Now look what we are doing. It's been a long march and the journey has just begun. It's still a hobby to me. I hope we don't lose sight of THAT!!!
pookstreet
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Thanks for the call
I just got home. Why do you think I've been so quiet until now??? :xd:
reefboy
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I guess its just the business side of me that gives Steve a pass as it was his tool to achieve his business model. I guess one of the places he went wrong was not putting a copyright on the terms "LE/AE"
Like you said, his name is the gold standard, so why are retailers trying to paint ther corals with gold spray paint. Reefers are crazy;Two little letters in front of a coral is not selling a coral as much as the word "Tyree" does.
Because if this, there are retailers and hobbyist alike who get a similar piece already in the market and try to name it the same (just as Bob said) for big bucks. It frustrates me that we as consumers still support the businesses/hobbyists(are they really) that are deceitful and downright dishonest.
I'm not sure if I'm taking this comment right but even though I hold Tyree and his corals in high regard but I don't believe he set the gold standard in quality, just in marketing lol and being able to get all you folks to give up sweet pieces of your corals is other feet I wish I could do lol but yet I have to trade and find my own :cry:and as far as quality goes most people including all vendors here have high quality corals as you have to or you don't stay in business and there are those that try to take advantage of people but I think it happens less then it use to do to sites like this.So I personally don't use LE on my corals but I see nothing wronge if you want to and as I've said in the past buy from the folks you trust and these types of things mean nothing.
I agree 100% with you. I believe Steve was so far ahead of the game with propagation of captivated corals that he had no idea what it would turn into. There are a lot of amazing corals that are not preceeded by tyree in the hobby, but his name is still what other people use to aid in the sell of corals
Dace
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so check your pms. welcome home...
pookstreet
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kellyjn
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Whoa! Are you kidding me? This is where people come to HYPE their corals, in hopes of driving the price up (increasing demand). Personally, I'd love to see where the price of chalices would be right now without threads like the "Chalice Show-Off Thread!!!!"
It is the same 10-15 people posting through out that thread. Of course they think each others chalices are nice and they'd pay big dollars for a TINY frag, they want their chalices to be seen as Rare/LE/AE and worth alot of money when it is time to sell, so they can get big $$$ for their TINY piece of coral too.
IMO, just because someone will pay $350 for a coral doesn't mean it's worth that much. I think it has alot to do with people's egos and alot of people that suffer from O.C.D. I'd love to see the look on most newbie's faces or know exactly what someone was thinking, when they were told someone paid $200+ for a 1/4" frag of a coral. Only the ones that were in it for the $$$ wouldn't be shocked.
Funny people use the word "Hobby" to me. Isn't "Side Business" a more appropriate term? Pay for the upkeep of tank, blah, blah, blah. Save it for someone else. How much does this hobby really cost? The answer is once your in past the initial purchase of a tank and lights, not that much. $20 for electricity, and $10-20 worth of salt/month. A fish here, a coral there.
Ian
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Pnoy+Pooky= BFF :xd: Get it?
OK, Ive cleaned up the thread a bit. Let me make this very clear....
Any personal attacks will result in a 1 month ban...no warnings.
If this threads gets out of hand again, its gone for good.
I am opening it up again, because i think it is an excellent topic, and should be discussed, please dont make me regret it.
Any personal attacks will result in a 1 month ban...no warnings.
If this threads gets out of hand again, its gone for good.
I am opening it up again, because i think it is an excellent topic, and should be discussed, please dont make me regret it.
lol, i wish it cost 40 a month to run my system....
more like a several hundred, electricty, water, and if you break down bulb replacements, media replacements, lots and lots of salt, and all the incidentals.
right now it costs me about 200 a month...when the new display is up, pretty much double that if i had to guess.
here is my take on LE pieces...My general rule for buying any of the "super high end" coral is this....it must be in captivity for long enough to know if it will in fact hold its colors, and for God sakes it must be LIMITED!
If everyone chalice collector on RC had the same "LE" chalice....thats obviously not very "limited"
Tyree built a certain "pride" to own a direct lineage piece from him...
It showed a time line of several years for 20 people just to get a tiny frag...thats how you sell the idea of "limited"
its not limited anything if you pick up a nice chalice from a wholesaler on Monday, and on Wednesday its up on a site as LE....
I own maybe 3 "LE" pieces that have any kind of "lineage" to them...although most would agree, Ive got a pretty nice collection of corals.
However, at the same time, I don't care what you call it, if its a screaming bright, colorful coral, with a cool texture and shape, or some other unique attribute, then sign me up for a piece, and ill pay as high of a price as i can afford at the time, if i feel its worthy...
The idea of blaming anyone for high prices is silly in my opinion. Its really simple...if you want a Ferrari, you pay several hundred thousand for one...if you want Ford pinto, you will pay very little...both will get you from A to B...but it looks a lot cooler if you do it in a Ferrari....
Also something to consider before slamming all the LFS's and Sites out there selling "LE" or any super high prices corals.
What most people don't realize is the amount of JUNK coral that they have to buy, and pay a heavy price for, that is hardly salable, just to get 1 premium piece.
Its not alway so black and white people...come over to the gray area...there's plenty of room.
If everyone chalice collector on RC had the same "LE" chalice....thats obviously not very "limited"
Tyree built a certain "pride" to own a direct lineage piece from him...
It showed a time line of several years for 20 people just to get a tiny frag...thats how you sell the idea of "limited"
its not limited anything if you pick up a nice chalice from a wholesaler on Monday, and on Wednesday its up on a site as LE....
I own maybe 3 "LE" pieces that have any kind of "lineage" to them...although most would agree, Ive got a pretty nice collection of corals.
However, at the same time, I don't care what you call it, if its a screaming bright, colorful coral, with a cool texture and shape, or some other unique attribute, then sign me up for a piece, and ill pay as high of a price as i can afford at the time, if i feel its worthy...
The idea of blaming anyone for high prices is silly in my opinion. Its really simple...if you want a Ferrari, you pay several hundred thousand for one...if you want Ford pinto, you will pay very little...both will get you from A to B...but it looks a lot cooler if you do it in a Ferrari....
Also something to consider before slamming all the LFS's and Sites out there selling "LE" or any super high prices corals.
What most people don't realize is the amount of JUNK coral that they have to buy, and pay a heavy price for, that is hardly salable, just to get 1 premium piece.
Its not alway so black and white people...come over to the gray area...there's plenty of room.
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