Chemiclean and STN

[Jettareefer223]

Apparently chemiclean is loosely “cure”’ to stn, and I mean in theory it’s logical it’s killing or oxidizing the bacteria. I keep seeing this all over the place just recently. People either dosed it resulting in stn stopping and or people/vendors dosing it as a preventative in limiting bad bacteria. One guy said he wished he did it sooner his coral bounce back almost immediately.

Disclaimer I’ve never needed to use chemiclean in my own system. I’m likely to only do 1/2 dose honestly. I started having minor minor patches pop up now gone that started when the stn did.

I’m at my breaking point I’ve been doing this for almost 20 years and chemical treatments would be my last resort I’m willing to try it.

 

[Reefer40b]

I think you will be ok if its properly done. Clean skimmer cup out, remove the drain plug from it(so it can just empty back into your tank) and dose the chemiclean per directions. No need to turn off skimmer or adjust it. I have used it on a full blown sps system without issues.

 

[SeaDweller]

I’m pretty sure it’s a broad spectrum antibiotic, so it does take out good bacteria too. I’ve used it before with good success vs cyano.

 

[CoralWealth]

If you did do this, would you dose some good bacteria afterwards and if so, what?

I was thinking of doing this too.

 

[Jettareefer223]

Cool I’ll let everyone know what happens. Again the objective here for me as @SeaDweller knows I’ve had on going battle with stn. I have basically gone crazy have eliminated every possible thing. A complete tank teardown and sanitation. I’ve come to terms with it being bacterial. Chemiclean is my only option other then waiting it out has been working out. I really prefer not chopping my 4 year old tort and decent fox flame colonies. All the other colonies chopped stung those two will burn.

If you did do this, would you dose some good bacteria afterwards and if so, what?

I was thinking of doing this too.

I run a partial zeo system I dose zeobak/zeofood7 currently. I could use some fritz turbostart for diversity.

 

[CoralWealth]

Cool I’ll let everyone know what happens. Again the objective here for me as @SeaDweller knows I’ve had on going battle with stn. I have basically gone crazy have eliminated every possible thing. A complete tank teardown and sanitation. I’ve come to terms with it being bacterial. Chemiclean is my only option other then waiting it out has been working out. I really prefer not chopping my 4 year old tort and decent fox flame colonies. All the other colonies chopped stung those two will burn.


I run partial zeo system I dose already zeobak/zeofood7, I could some fritz turbostart for diversity.

Wishing you the best and following along. I have had random stn too recently but it has stopped but not positive it will stay that way

 

[Jettareefer223]

Wishing you the best and following along. I have had random stn too recently but it has stopped but not positive it will stay that way

For sure! I hope your corals pull through as well. It seems to be a hot topic during the summer (stn). It’s only my bigger colonies, frags and smaller pieces have had no problems. Including frags of the same colonies that are experiencing. Colonies I cut well above the base early on are doing fine now. Super glue didn’t on my TGC ultra
Miyagi, but worked tri-color. It’s all so confusing and frustrating. I’m dosing tonight as soon I can confirm some data I’ll tag you/pm you!

 

[CoralWealth]

For sure! I hope your corals pull through as well. It seems to be a hot topic during the summer (stn). It’s only my bigger colonies, frags and smaller pieces have had no problems. Including frags of the same colonies that are experiencing. Colonies I cut well above the base early on are doing fine now. Super glue didn’t on my TGC ultra
Miyagi, but worked tri-color. It’s all so confusing and frustrating. I’m dosing tonight as soon I can confirm some data I’ll tag you/pm you!

It is the same thing for me as it is only my colonies and the frags are perfectly fine. Knock on wood after water changes the past couple weeks it seems to have stopped but I am still scared something will pop up out of nowhere. I appreciate it!

 

[Jettareefer223]

It is the same thing for me as it is only my colonies and the frags are perfectly fine. Knock on wood after water changes the past couple weeks it seems to have stopped but I am still scared something will pop up out of nowhere. I appreciate it!

Just keep a good eye on everything, and it kills me to ruin a beautiful colony when it’s time I don’t hesitate. At the end of the day what initially causes it to start whether environmental changes/stress or truly a bacterial sources us ever knowing with absolute certainty is impossible. I’ve had stn stop in previous tanks just like you said doing a decent amount w/c’s and small amount of carbon.

My tank I’ve removed the sand bed, 60% live rock, emptied/sanitized tank/sump/equipment, checked all equipment/anything magnet for failure, Previous to that switched salt mixes, turned the tank over 2x over course 10 days and ruled out my RO/DI water. I don’t have AEFW and my temps controlled via apex I have a thermal controller just Incase that fails definitely not the problem. Anything imaginable I’ve done lol.

I’ll add the colors that have been doing well continue to thrive, and the ones with stn don’t get better or worse after the changes.

I had a cyano bloom it was on my rocks only coincides with the stn I siphoned it out that was the end of that. Never had a bloom in this tank this whole thing is all leaning for me on batercia.

 

[CoralWealth]

Just keep a good eye on everything, and it kills me to ruin a beautiful colony when it’s time I don’t hesitate. At the end of the day what initially causes it to start whether environmental changes/stress or truly a bacterial sources us ever knowing with absolute certainty is impossible. I’ve had stn stop in previous tanks just like you said doing a decent amount w/c’s and small amount of carbon.

My tank I’ve removed the sand bed, 60% live rock, emptied/sanitized tank/sump/equipment, checked all equipment/anything magnet for failure, Previous to that switched salt mixes, turned the tank over 2x over course 10 days and ruled out my RO/DI water. I don’t have AEFW and my temps controlled via apex I have a thermal controller just Incase that fails definitely not the problem. Anything imaginable I’ve done lol.

I’ll add the colors that have been doing well continue to thrive, and the ones with stn don’t get better or worse after the changes.

I had a cyano bloom it was on my rocks only coincides with the stn I siphoned it out that was the end of that. Never had a bloom in this tank this whole thing is all leaning for me on batercia.

Yeah I definitely am keeping a good eye on it and also interested to see how this works for you. I also did have some cyano not too long ago too when I had the stn so that is strange too. Definitely hoping this works for you and then yeah I will probably just do it for safety

 

[Jettareefer223]

Yeah I definitely am keeping a good eye on it and also interested to see how this works for you. I also did have some cyano not too long ago too when I had the stn so that is strange too. Definitely hoping this works for you and then yeah I will probably just do it for safety

It seems to be the “precursor” as other members
shared the same experience cyano->stn. I’m going to let you know for sure! All I have left
Just Incase something happens lol. This is the most current FTS I have.

 

[CoralWealth]

It seems to be the “precursor” as other members
shared the same experience cyano->stn. I’m going to let you know for sure! All I have left
Just Incase something happens lol. This is the most current FTS I have.

Still very very nice! Good luck

 

[Jettareefer223]

Still very very nice! Good luck

Thanks! I feel blessed just to Have what’s left!
I lost a lot cool battle corals, TCG Miyagi, most of my Millie’s, and all my ornate stuff like my big red dragon and Pac-Man. I can’t wait until I can get some replacements and new frags! It’s cooking right now with the chemiclean so far just a few filaments no really adverse effects noticed at the hour mark. Fingers crossed got reef octopus 202s overflowing and my return disturbing the surface hard!

 

[CoralWealth]

Thanks! I feel blessed just to Have what’s left!
I lost a lot cool battle corals, TCG Miyagi, most of my Millie’s, and all my ornate stuff like my big red dragon and Pac-Man. I can’t wait until I can get some replacements and new frags! It’s cooking right now with the chemiclean so far just a few filaments no really adverse effects noticed at the hour mark. Fingers crossed got reef octopus 202s overflowing and my return disturbing the surface hard!

I used it in my previos tank that was full of SPS for cyano and everything was fine so I am sure you will be good!

 

[CoralWealth]

So I figured I’d ask this while we are all waiting.

Are you just doing a half dose, if so why?

Are you doing it for 48 hours?

How fast were you losing a coral, like a new one every 2 days? Just wondering when you’ll consider this to be working if at all.

 

[Jettareefer223]

I lost 20% of my acros to what I can only determine was bacterial infection. Most everything else had STN and lost a lot of color. Because of the die off I had aggressive cyano so I decided to risk dosing chemiclean a few weeks ago. Ever since things have been rebounding. I speculate that the chemiclean eliminated the cyano and whatever bacteria was causing the die off. I wish I would’ve dosed it sooner, but I’ve always felt chemicals are last resort methods. I’m starting to see recovery growth for the first time in a long time. Hopefully improvement in coloration follows.

So I figured I’d ask this while we are all waiting.

Are you just doing a half dose, if so why?

Are you doing it for 48 hours?

How fast were you losing a coral, like a new one every 2 days? Just wondering when you’ll consider this to be working if at all.

I included most recent post I’ve read with chemiclean and stn clearance. I spent a lot of time sifting through forums I’ve actually seen people talking about the correspondance.

The half dose is just to be on safe side b/c in the end there’s no cyano for it to kill hopefully just bad bacteria. It can crash PH and with it killing the bacteria I’m sure some “die off” or toxins will be experienced. I’m at higher since I’ve never treated this tank with chemiclean. Rather take things slow .

I planned on doing the full 48 hours unless the corals show signs of stress. Or stn becomes more rapid. It’s fairly slow but constant.

This was the stn on one my fairly large Millie colonies below the bottom arrow was the first week or so. Between both arrows all happened the following week this one was at fast pace total of two weeks. I actually cut it above the base it survived and has healed and started encrusting!

Then there’s corals like my tort which have had very slow progression that’s all the stn it’s experienced in the past 6 weeks.

 

[SeaDweller]

If you did do this, would you dose some good bacteria afterwards and if so, what?

I was thinking of doing this too.

I think dosing bacteria in general is a good thing, but I have nothing to prove it is or isn’t. I dose MB7 and Dr. Tim’s eco balance.

 

[CoralWealth]

I included most recent post I’ve read with chemiclean and stn clearance. I spent a lot of time sifting through forums I’ve actually seen people talking about the correspondance.

The half dose is just to be on safe side b/c in the end there’s no cyano for it to kill hopefully just bad bacteria. It can crash PH and with it killing the bacteria I’m sure some “die off” or toxins will be experienced. I’m at higher since I’ve never treated this tank with chemiclean. Rather take things slow .

I planned on doing the full 48 hours unless the corals show signs of stress. Or stn becomes more rapid. It’s fairly slow but constant.

This was the stn on one my fairly large Millie colonies below the bottom arrow was the first week or so. Between both arrows all happened the following week this one was at fast pace total of two weeks. I actually cut it above the base it survived and has healed and started encrusting!

Then there’s corals like my tort which have had very slow progression that’s all the stn it’s experienced in the past 6 weeks.

Okay that makes sense, mine was a very slow decline too when it did happen but I am still really interested in stopping it once and for all if it is a bacteria thing.

 

[CoralWealth]

I think dosing bacteria in general is a good thing, but I have nothing to prove it is or isn’t. I dose MB7 and Dr. Tim’s eco balance.

I have been thinking about dosing MB7 every once in awhile but I never did. How often and how much do you dose?

 

[Jettareefer223]

I have been thinking about dosing MB7 every once in awhile but I never did. How often and how much do you dose?

Inconclusive thus far some got worst (fox flame) and others like the tort overall seem a lot happier it’s hard to tell if stopped hasn’t progressed in last 18 hours. Like any bacterial I would assume it would probably get worst before it get better? One thing I did notice on some corals is filaments along the recession line wasn’t happening before. This could be a positive sign because the corals being triggered to react to it. It reminds of immune modifiers it’s typically applied topically and triggers your immune system heal it. Fingers crossed or they’re just mad lol. I ended up half dosage to bring it up to “full” treatment. I woke up this morning everything was grey..... immediately skimmed emptied the skimmer cup 4-5 times things calmed down. I can’t imagine 30 Minutes of skimming removed all the chemi clean in water column. I’ll see the tank in 3-4 hours we’ll see.