Chemiclean and STN

[CoralWealth]

Inconclusive thus far some got worst (fox flame) and others like the tort overall seem a lot happier it’s hard to tell if stopped hasn’t progressed in last 18 hours. Like any bacterial I would assume it would probably get worst before it get better? One thing I did notice on some corals is filaments along the recession line wasn’t happening before. This could be a positive sign because the corals being triggered to react to it. It reminds of immune modifiers it’s typically applied topically and triggers your immune system heal it. Fingers crossed or they’re just mad lol. I ended up half dosage to bring it up to “full” treatment. I woke up this morning everything was grey..... immediately skimmed emptied the skimmer cup 4-5 times things calmed down. I can’t imagine 30 Minutes of skimming removed all the chemi clean in water column. I’ll see the tank in 3-4 hours we’ll see.

Hopefully it is a positive sign with the filaments by the recession line.

 

[Jettareefer223]

That’s my what I’m hoping for it’s a response god or bad won’t know for another 36-48hrs lol

 

[CoralWealth]

That’s my what I’m hoping for it’s a response god or bad won’t know for another 36-48hrs lol

we can only hope for the best!

 

[Big E]

Have you thought about stopping zeo cold turkey? That would have been my first option. That gets you back to a basic system and a ton of variables taken away.

As a matter of fact I would stop any commercial dosing, feeding of any kind.

 

[Jettareefer223]

I have been thinking about dosing MB7 every once in awhile but I never did. How often and how much do you dose?

I don’t believe in coincidence. So the chemiclean thing worked.........

 

[Jettareefer223]

we can only hope for the best!

Things are already healing over for some reason in the past few days the rate at which bases are encrusting is epically fast lol. The only holdout I have is the big fox flame colony which is 50/50 (recession line is healed and growing over/some parts are still stn’ing). Although it’s slowed down substantially and coupled with the fact it’s healing partially I’ll hold out on any bone cutter action. I have faith that it will be fine here in a few days!

 

[7237689918]

I actually believe mine are doing better as well and recession has stopped or is turning for the better in several that based on my past history were goners. A good oddity.

 

[Centerline]

Hi Guys, for several years I've been using Chemiclean (erythromycin) along with doxycycline and or Furan 2 to treat white spot on wild first gen chalices and lps. I have used this combo both in QT and as a dip and have had pretty good success with this. Many of the chalice colonies I've treated are worth thousands. Several months ago I ran across two products from Prime Coral. Stop RTN and Prevent RTN. There are a few threads on R2R that pretty much call the product snake oil but my experience has been that booth products work well, particularly when combined with antibiotic dips. The products are designed to stop Philaster Lucinda (and other ciliates I presume). My success rate has gone up drastically using the Prime Corals stuff and it might be worth considering as an adjunct to antibiotic treatments.

Worth a read

Experimental antibiotic treatment identifies potential pathogens of white band disease in the endangered Caribbean coral Acropora cervicornis - PMC

Coral diseases have been increasingly reported over the past few decades and are a major contributor to coral decline worldwide. The Caribbean, in particular, has been noted as a hotspot for coral disease, and the aptly named white syndromes have ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Just my two cents for what its worth.

 

[SeaDweller]

Hi Guys, for several years I've been using Chemiclean (erythromycin) along with doxycycline and or Furan 2 to treat white spot on wild first gen chalices and lps. I have used this combo both in QT and as a dip and have had pretty good success with this. Many of the chalice colonies I've treated are worth thousands. Several months ago I ran across two products from Prime Coral. Stop RTN and Prevent RTN. There are a few threads on R2R that pretty much call the product snake oil but my experience has been that booth products work well, particularly when combined with antibiotic dips. The products are designed to stop Philaster Lucinda (and other ciliates I presume). My success rate has gone up drastically using the Prime Corals stuff and it might be worth considering as an adjunct to antibiotic treatments.

Worth a read

Experimental antibiotic treatment identifies potential pathogens of white band disease in the endangered Caribbean coral Acropora cervicornis - PMC

Coral diseases have been increasingly reported over the past few decades and are a major contributor to coral decline worldwide. The Caribbean, in particular, has been noted as a hotspot for coral disease, and the aptly named white syndromes have ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Just my two cents for what its worth.

I think there was a ton of drama on that thread and people were calling the owner out, and it became an ugly mess. Ultimately I think many people said it wasn't working or worth it, IIRC

 

[Jettareefer223]

Well a little update... Things were great post chemiclean, until I did the second of three total 7-8x interceptor treatments. I had major bacterial bloom my tank was milky white after about 24 hours into the treatment. This didn’t happen on first round or during any of my previous treatments. I’m assuming the chemiclean killed off bacteria which was to be expected and the by products of the interceptor ex. Filler and flavoring weren’t able be broken down. Needless to say after running a ton of filter padding and 50% wc it cleared after 36 hours. Threw away more acros... my beloved Ora Validia is now half dead unlike everything the tissue loss did not start from the base up. My 4 year old Oregon tort started again going quickly this time and TGC lime light peeling like a banana (since it’s easy to get to being on the overflow a q-tip with Lugols and super glue fixed his problem !). The fox flame finally stopped and then this happens. *** I’m starting to loose my sanity.

I’m breaking down a customer’s old redsea max. I’m also starting a new job in a week or two that comes with a decent pay increase and moving into a bigger pad in late October. I’ll hopefully be able have both tanks going along a lowboy or two. I’ll start a new collection on the max/lowboys and keep the rimless going static until this crap is sorted out.

 

[7237689918]

Well a little update... Things were great post chemiclean, until I did the second of three total 7-8x interceptor treatments. I had major bacterial bloom my tank was milky white after about 24 hours into the treatment. This didn’t happen on first round or during any of my previous treatments. I’m assuming the chemiclean killed off bacteria which was to be expected and the by products of the interceptor ex. Filler and flavoring weren’t able be broken down. Needless to say after running a ton of filter padding and 50% wc it cleared after 36 hours. Threw away more acros... my beloved Ora Validia is now half dead unlike everything the tissue loss did not start from the base up. My 4 year old Oregon tort started again going quickly this time and TGC lime light peeling like a banana (since it’s easy to get to being on the overflow a q-tip with Lugols and super glue fixed his problem !). The fox flame finally stopped and then this happens. *** I’m starting to loose my sanity.

I’m breaking down a customer’s old redsea max. I’m also starting a new job in a week or two that comes with a decent pay increase and moving into a bigger pad in late October. I’ll hopefully be able have both tanks going along a lowboy or two. I’ll start a new collection on the max/lowboys and keep the rimless going static until this crap is sorted out.

What do you think happened?

 

[Centerline]

I think there was a ton of drama on that thread and people were calling the owner out, and it became an ugly mess. Ultimately I think many people said it wasn't working or worth it, IIRC

If nothing else it was an unfortunate example of how rude people can be regardless of how well his product worked.

 

[Centerline]

Well a little update... Things were great post chemiclean, until I did the second of three total 7-8x interceptor treatments. I had major bacterial bloom my tank was milky white after about 24 hours into the treatment. This didn’t happen on first round or during any of my previous treatments. I’m assuming the chemiclean killed off bacteria which was to be expected and the by products of the interceptor ex. Filler and flavoring weren’t able be broken down. Needless to say after running a ton of filter padding and 50% wc it cleared after 36 hours. Threw away more acros... my beloved Ora Validia is now half dead unlike everything the tissue loss did not start from the base up. My 4 year old Oregon tort started again going quickly this time and TGC lime light peeling like a banana (since it’s easy to get to being on the overflow a q-tip with Lugols and super glue fixed his problem !). The fox flame finally stopped and then this happens. *** I’m starting to loose my sanity.

I’m breaking down a customer’s old redsea max. I’m also starting a new job in a week or two that comes with a decent pay increase and moving into a bigger pad in late October. I’ll hopefully be able have both tanks going along a lowboy or two. I’ll start a new collection on the max/lowboys and keep the rimless going static until this crap is sorted out.

Really unfortunate. Please let us know if you get to the bottom of this.

 

[Jettareefer223]

Things haven’t really changed it’s been static at this point my Oregon tort and Validia are the only things that continue to decline. I fragged the tort and lost one branch and the branch number 2 is stn’ing after lugols application and super glue which worked on others. The I’m letting the Validia alone since the tort did not go well.

Other then that everything else is growing and doing well the the fox flame continues at this point to produce new growth along the former recession line it’s managed to overcome whatever caused all this chaos. Colors are starting to come back to normal after the three heavy interceptor treatments at 8x dosage one I ran for 48 hours due to a bath renovation kept me from easily accessing the fish room. A lot of my sps are currently brown literally it’s very lame lol. Right now as far as I can tell I think I finally beat the bugs. Honestly think I’m past the stn no new cases and the only problems I currently have are the ongoing two mentioned above I think they’re upset/weak and unable to build up the resistance to overcome although the Validia starting to growth at an almost unbelievable rate I have faith it’s going to fight it off. I started running mechanical filtration and changing it out regularly to displace all the funk in the water colum.

I made swapped out one of my actinic bulbs for a purple plus it really made it brighter. I also raised the fixture up to 11.25” off the water (was 10”)and the led bar is 90% output. I’m hoping the bulb changed brings some different colors with diversity in spectrum. Adjusted the photoperiod at the same time. I had the blue light running 13 hours and daylight 6 hours I just felt it was to long and previously during periods were coloration was best I was running shorter durations.

-Blue light(dusk/dawn) SBreef led bar blue plus/ati actinic = 3pm-1am (10 hours)

-Daylight 2x blue plus, 1x coral plus, 1x purple plus = 6pm-11pm (5 hours)

Positive feedback- Seen increased PE, darkening overall in some acros, contrast in multi-colored corals Is definitely more defined.

Negative feedback- Seeing as some corals were happy with the previous schedule/configuration some have browned or stalled I think with time they’ll adjust IME it will be a hot minute before anything will happen.

Bulb layout front to back

SBreef led bar
Blue plus
Blue plus
Coral plus
Purple plus
Ati actinic
Blue plus

 

[Dmb092182]

Things haven’t really changed it’s been static at this point my Oregon tort and Validia are the only things that continue to decline. I fragged the tort and lost one branch and the branch number 2 is stn’ing after lugols application and super glue which worked on others. The I’m letting the Validia alone since the tort did not go well.

Other then that everything else is growing and doing well the the fox flame continues at this point to produce new growth along the former recession line it’s managed to overcome whatever caused all this chaos. Colors are starting to come back to normal after the three heavy interceptor treatments at 8x dosage one I ran for 48 hours due to a bath renovation kept me from easily accessing the fish room. A lot of my sps are currently brown literally it’s very lame lol. Right now as far as I can tell I think I finally beat the bugs. Honestly think I’m past the stn no new cases and the only problems I currently have are the ongoing two mentioned above I think they’re upset/weak and unable to build up the resistance to overcome although the Validia starting to growth at an almost unbelievable rate I have faith it’s going to fight it off. I started running mechanical filtration and changing it out regularly to displace all the funk in the water colum.

I made swapped out one of my actinic bulbs for a purple plus it really made it brighter. I also raised the fixture up to 11.25” off the water (was 10”)and the led bar is 90% output. I’m hoping the bulb changed brings some different colors with diversity in spectrum. Adjusted the photoperiod at the same time. I had the blue light running 13 hours and daylight 6 hours I just felt it was to long and previously during periods were coloration was best I was running shorter durations.

-Blue light(dusk/dawn) SBreef led bar blue plus/ati actinic = 3pm-1am (10 hours)

-Daylight 2x blue plus, 1x coral plus, 1x purple plus = 6pm-11pm (5 hours)

Positive feedback- Seen increased PE, darkening overall in some acros, contrast in multi-colored corals Is definitely more defined.

Negative feedback- Seeing as some corals were happy with the previous schedule/configuration some have browned or stalled I think with time they’ll adjust IME it will be a hot minute before anything will happen.

Bulb layout front to back

SBreef led bar
Blue plus
Blue plus
Coral plus
Purple plus
Ati actinic
Blue plus

Any updates on this? I just used chemiclean and have some colonies stning.

 

[k2-]

Okie my 2 cents - no harm but just follow the instructions. I had to travel and my nitrates and phosphates got out of hand (skimmer was off) so one of my sps didn’t make it but then everyone else (more than 20 did) but it was avoidable so that kind of sucks

 

[TX_Punisher]

I’ve used Chemiclean 6+ times with no issues. Always watch your nutrient levels with any sort of treatments.

I’ve even over dosed and let it go several days too long and never saw issues. I remove it via my skimmer drain line with the ATO turned off until the skimmer stops overflowing. It usually removes 2g or so. Much easier than a full water change imo.