Clean up crew special report.

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From the beginning of my project i didn't want to use snails or hermits as my primary deffence againts algaes and detritus because they die all the time and a constant amount of money is spent replensihing your stocks of cuc and your tank cleanliness varies a lot from month to month . And i think i've won my bet. My reseache led me to a few alternatives.


The Urchins are more resistant , they live longer and the list of algea they eat is far more impressive than most snails you'll ever buy. They don't climb out of the tank, they don't need help to turn themselve around and you don't need an army of them. I was so happy to see a bit of Ulva comming out of that rock. It means that i wont have to suppliment anymore. These little buggers will be able to find food by themselves, now and if Ulva was to grw to fast i just have to resart the GFO reactor to stop the Ulva, it helps to know what the algae consumes and what it needs.


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Seastars; work either during the day or night or both and don't succomb easily to parameters. resistant and 2-3 is enough for my system.
A Echinaster seastar is very usefull and does very well indeed.Not too big And it work.


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Serpent star


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Sea cucumbers for the sand is great they multiply by themselve if their enough food and work the system effortly.


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The babylonia snail or Butterscotch snail , or super tonga nassarius snail which is abosutly not related to , but anyway is actually very useful for detritus but don't over do it my 150 G only has 10 thats it.


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The strawberry Conch is one of the best sand sifter around without being destructive to your sand microfauna unlike the sandsifting star it doesn't destroy the bacterial layers of your tank. Which you need to help with your filtration . only 3 in my 150 is enough. and the sand is clean. At 3 o'clock in the morning thats what they do, they vaccuum themselves up lol. A night tour once and a while don't hurt either to see whats going on in your tank.


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When you have lots of herbivore don't forget to put a tablet at the bottom every 2 days, if they don't touch it , means they have enough to eat and you can skip a few days, but if they do rush on it keep them comming. The mistake people make is not feeding them because they say if i feed them they wont clean anymore. i find this a bit cruel and nonsense. They always clean at any rate. If your tank is clean and they still eat, they're starving.....One reason you may be always buying new cuc all the time, you buy too much and then they starve.


One little trick i do know if you clean your glass everyday, your CUC wont waste time cleaning it up when they could clean up your tank. And you don't need snails to do the glass really and reducing your lights to when your home only will give time to your clean up crew to catch up to the maintenance of your tank. Talking to a few different LFS they only have them 5-6 h a day, the rest is actinic only, so controling and managing your algae growth is also important it would seem.


In conclusion my tank is clean, the rocks, the glass no cyano issues, or any other algaes, i feed twice a day. i have a 75 Gallons refugium for my 150 gallons reef tank, i've turned OFF my GFO so my macroalgae collection has something to grow on and the nitrates and phospahes are nil. i dose both iron, and iodine for the algeas as they're the biggest users. That my observations and the end of my report.


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The best macroalgae for phosphate removal is Ulva , it explodes in your refugium and the bests reef safe nitrate exporters are cheato and Caulerpa Prolifera it doesn't take over with good trimming.


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Lot of good info in this. I have a very freshman CUC question. When should I start adding My CUC? When I add fish or when I see algae? I've always just kinda bought them as I go starting when my algae gets too much but I know this is most likely too late.
 
The only thing I will add is that if you go with an urchin make sure all your frags are glued down. If not you will find them all over the tank as the urchin passes I have even had to remove frags from the urchin by hand as it was just wondering around the tank with a sps on its back! :)
 
Quite a few varieties of snails will reproduce in your tank just fine. In a good sized tank, a sand sifting star is not going to destroy the microfauna fast enough for it to not reproduce on its own. I feel that utilizing as many different methods of natural clean up as you can is the best way to keep your system happy, healthy, and clean. While I agree with your thoughts on urchins, conchs, cukes, and stars, I would not eliminate the others like hermits and snails of many varieties.
 
Lot of good info in this. I have a very freshman CUC question. When should I start adding My CUC? When I add fish or when I see algae? I've always just kinda bought them as I go starting when my algae gets too much but I know this is most likely too late.
Yes the clean up crew is the first to go in as they usually get the first little algae blooms lol and i don't count them as my regular cuc because at first yuo don't really need much, at first you have to go throught different stages of a maturing tank that you can't escape like the diatom stage , and they're going to die very quickly and get trapped into your sock and skimmer. So at first a regular cuc is fine . The urchins and other one i've used are when you have a lot of food to give and some to supplement. i have a whole refugium to give. However now some of my Ulva has migrated to my main tank which is great now thei food grows where they live and thats great no more supplement they'll graze on that.

How big is your tank?
 
The only thing I will add is that if you go with an urchin make sure all your frags are glued down. If not you will find them all over the tank as the urchin passes I have even had to remove frags from the urchin by hand as it was just wondering around the tank with a sps on its back! :)

Most certainly , when i decided with those guys i accepted their nature. Too many people buy them and then complain....it not the urchins fault, thats the buyers fault for one not reading about the need of the urchins, and its nature , and second many time they buy them for a 50G tank. These guys need room ....they eat and get really hungry so they move things to find food. I'd be opening doors and boxes too if i was hungry all the time would you. I've accepted its nature and my frags are acclimated fast and then glued properly none of the loosy goosy tank where all the nuts come off and then people blame the animal for living. i'm not saying you i'm just stating the bad rap these animal get because of it , they forage for food lol . They don't know that at 3 pm you put algae on a clip lol. in my case i use to slip with a pair of tongs a piece of ulva under it , boy it would stop moving and sit on that for hours, no kidding. Now since i've turned off my GFO the ulva is growin in the reef and they can sit where it grow and i'm free , lol. But yes they do forage. The Hatpin is the worse. The tuxedo not so much you can have them in a 70G and up but with lots of supplement they eat a lot. its constantly. A food clip with algae or even better a huge vegy tablet like New Era Marine grazer one are big they sit on that again for hours. Thanks for your time and input.

he's got one and took it from the clip

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Quite a few varieties of snails will reproduce in your tank just fine. In a good sized tank, a sand sifting star is not going to destroy the microfauna fast enough for it to not reproduce on its own. I feel that utilizing as many different methods of natural clean up as you can is the best way to keep your system happy, healthy, and clean. While I agree with your thoughts on urchins, conchs, cukes, and stars, I would not eliminate the others like hermits and snails of many varieties.

When i first started i did put a full regular cuc with hermith and all. Didn't take long for empty shell to appear. Hermiths were taking out my cerith snails, and then each other. So of my original cuc not much survived lol. So i didnt see the point of replacing them months after months and give my money away to LFS . So doing my reseach i came up with my present strategy which i've post now . You can agree or disagree , no problem . But my aim was to reduce my expendature of CUC every year if i could and stil maintain a clean sand bed and i think i've succeded with my choices of critters. It works for my system . That the sense of my report essentially. I'm sharing my findings. And so far all of my present cuc haven't died or been eaten by any other. All the remaining hermiths are in the Angler pen with the dwarf fuzzy lion fish, surviving and killing each other they're very opportunist lol.I've put the hermith there since snails eat macroalgaes like crazy, lol. The hermith much less if they do at all. Thanks for the discussion.
 
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Seperant and brittle stars do an amazing job of cleaning up detritus. A cucumber might be even better, but sure does need a big tank. As for seastars, care should be taken lest they may devour all your benthics. Would the same be true of urchins or no?
 
Seperant and brittle stars do an amazing job of cleaning up detritus. A cucumber might be even better, but sure does need a big tank. As for seastars, care should be taken lest they may devour all your benthics. Would the same be true of urchins or no?


Thanks for posting . No urchins are essentially herbivores. The main problem is that they're voracious eaters and can starve, thats is one reason they really start moving things in a tank because they're looking for food. As an example of their usefullness take a look at what most snails eat.


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Diatoms Stringy Growth
Diatom Coating)



Long-spined Urchin (Algae)


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Ulva rigida (Sea Lettuce)
Ulva lactuca
Bryopsis species
Bryopsis plumosa
Cladophora rupestris
Cladophora prolifera
Cladophora laetevirens
Dictyosphaeria cavernosa (Green Bubble Weed)
Valonia macrophysa
Valonia utricularis 2
Valonia utricularis 1
Boodlea species
Ostreobium species
Valoniopsis pachynema
Acetabularia crennulata (Mermaids Cup/Mermaid Wine Glass Alga)
Fucus vesiculosus 2
Fucus vesiculosus 1
Fucus spiralis
Cladophoropsis species 2
Cladophoropsis species 1
Ventricaria ventricosa
Chaetomorpha crassa
Chaetomorpha aerea
Sargassum vulgare
Sargassum sinicola
Sargassum natans
Sargassum johnstoni
Sargassum hystrix
Sargassum fluitans
Lobophora variegata 1
Laminaria species
Enteromorpha prolifera
Enteromorpha linza
Enteromorpha intestinalis
Enteromorpha compressa
Hypnea musciformis
Hypnea cervicornis
Wrangelia argus
Dictyota linearis
Dictyota dichotoma (Brown Fan Weed or Divided Net Weed)
Dictyota bartayresii
Polysiphonia elongata
Chlorodesmis species (Turtle Weed)
Centroceras clavulatum
Derbesia marina (hair algae)
Derbesia species 2
Derbesia species 1
The tuxedo urchins eat almost the same list so i have 2 tuxedos in the tank.


Fighting Conch or the strawbery conch , i have 3 for the 150G and its enough.


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Derbesia marina
Derbesia species 2
Derbesia species 1
Oscillatoria sp. 2
Oscillatoria sp. 1
Cladophoropsis species 2
Cladophoropsis species 1
Acetabularia crennulata (Mermaids Cup/Mermaid Wine Glass Alga)
Diatoms Stringy Growth
Diatom Coating
Chlorodesmis species (Turtle Weed)



Banded Trochus Snail ;Trochus niloticus


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Derbesia marina
Derbesia species 2
Derbesia species 1
Ostreobium species
Cladophoropsis species 2
Cladophoropsis species 1
Bryopsis species
Bryopsis plumosa
Acetabularia crennulata (Mermaids Cup/Mermaid Wine Glass Alga)
Diatoms Stringy Growth
Diatom Coating



The trochu is the only snails outside my list thats does a great job but its doesn't live long enough thats why i took it off the list.


 
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How big is your tank?

Right now I'm starting up my 55 gallon I've had and moved around with me for years mainly to get the baserock back to life and have a tank to look at, but will be upgrading to a friends 180 or 240 in August(Free tanks are the only way to go when you're in college). I don't plan on a heavy stock since I don't want to have to move a ton of fish with me.
 
We love our fighting conchs and have 3 for a 150 as well.Vacuum cleaners! When they are not vacuuming they stay buried in the sand with only a knob or two of the shell visible.
 
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Right now I'm starting up my 55 gallon I've had and moved around with me for years mainly to get the baserock back to life and have a tank to look at, but will be upgrading to a friends 180 or 240 in August(Free tanks are the only way to go when you're in college). I don't plan on a heavy stock since I don't want to have to move a ton of fish with me.

Thats cool , well if you want to save money, selection of a durable efficient cuc that wont be killed by hermits crabs and in sufficient numbers yet wont starve to death is a good way to save money. Because replacing cuc is a drain on the budget month after month. That was my main motivation for doing my little experiment.
 
We love our fighting conchs and have 3 for a 150 as well.Vacuum cleaners! When they are not vacuuming they stay buried in the sand with only a knob or two of the shell visible.

Yep and they're actually quite entertaining the way they move and act. Thats why i have no hermiths to harm them, because even with their size they're quite easy target for any crab or big hermith. Yep 3 is enough for my 150 as well and the diversity they eat is good also but its the sand moving ability i was going for these guys .
 
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Great write up. I'm slowly turning away from certain snails mainly because of there are other super efficient alternatives. My favorites are the cucumber and the conch. Awesome cleaners. I had a pink hermit. I really don't know what type it was, but it was awesome in my last tank. It didn't bother any snails, it was nocturnal, and did a great job at cleaning. I miss it now that I think of it.
 
My advice to anyone is to research research research. Make sure your clean up crew meets your specific needs. Some of the creatures listed have some drawbacks to them so research each species you are looking to add. If you have issues with snails killing over there might be other things going on in your tank. I noticed some times temperature is over looked and plays a big role in keeping crustations. I noticed ceriths and nas. will survive in cooler temps with more drastic temp swings, however turbo snails are more fragile to temp issues. In my opinion you should always add little by little even on the cleaning crew. This is because your tank will grow and change. Snails and conches will work great for the diatom bloom but the diatom bloom may only last a week if you added to many you may have to start feeding. Then you might run into a hair algae problem and find out that your snails wont even mess with hair algae. The whole point of a clean up crew is to get rid of unwanted algae and poo. Unwanted algae consumes nutrients in the tank, having to add food to your oversized clean up crew is only adding nutrients to system. Remember you are building an ecosystem, many factors will determine how your ecosystem grows and evolves.
 

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