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Hello all,

last week I made a post related to my clown having pop eye. He was tanked with a blenny that beat him up severely. I removed the blenny in hopes the clown would recover.

the clown did recover from the pop eye and started looking far more healthy. Unfortunately the damaged lower fin never recovered and has gotten to the point of rotting its body.

is there any chance of helping this fish?

water parameters
Nitrate-5ppm
Phos-0
Alk-8.2
Mag-1310
Ca-415
Ammonia-0

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Hello all,

last week I made a post related to my clown having pop eye. He was tanked with a blenny that beat him up severely. I removed the blenny in hopes the clown would recover.

the clown did recover from the pop eye and started looking far more healthy. Unfortunately the damaged lower fin never recovered and has gotten to the point of rotting its body.

is there any chance of helping this fish?

water parameters
Nitrate-5ppm
Phos-0
Alk-8.2
Mag-1310
Ca-415
Ammonia-0

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Sorry to see. It looks like the anal opening is affected. That would be 100% fatal because the intestines would also be damaged. If it were my fish, I would euthanize it.

Jay
 
Sorry to see. It looks like the anal opening is affected. That would be 100% fatal because the intestines would also be damaged. If it were my fish, I would euthanize it.

Jay
Thanks for the reply. That is a bummer to hear. I’ll think it over for a bit. What’s a morally acceptable way to euthanize a fish?
 
Thanks for the reply. That is a bummer to hear. I’ll think it over for a bit. What’s a morally acceptable way to euthanize a fish?

Here is some info I wrote up about that:

Preferred methods for euthanasia

MS-222
Every aquarist should have a plan for specimen euthanasia before they need to employ it. An overdose of buffered Tricaine methane sulfonate (MS-222) is the preferred method for euthanizing fish. Dosing at a rate of greater than 300 mg/l MS-222 along with 300 mg/l sodium bicarbonate is effective for euthanizing fish within 30 minutes. However, MS-222 is expensive, and not readily available in smaller quantities to home aquarists. Removing the fish too soon from the solution may allow it to recover. It is therefore suggested to leave the fish in a small amount of the euthanizing solution, and freeze it for later disposal.

Clove oil (eugenol)
One product that aquarists can buy that is approved by at least some veterinarians and research biologists is clove oil, also called eugenol. A dose of 50 mg/l is usually sufficient in euthanizing fish. This equates to about 0.20 ml of eugenol in one gallon of aquarium water.

Because eugenol does not mix well with water, and because larger volumes are easier for hobbyists to measure out, it can be dosed using the following method:

1) Add 2 ml of eugenol to 100 ml of tank water in a sealed container and shake it vigorously.

2) Add 10 ml of this suspended solution to each gallon of water needed to euthanize the fish.

3) Place the fish in this solution and keep it covered to prevent it from jumping out and to help keep it calm.

4) Wait at least twenty minutes after it stops breathing, and then remove the fish from the solution and freeze it for later disposal.

Other methods
A variety of other methods have been proposed for the euthanasia of fishes, but none are fully accepted by veterinary experts. Still, home aquarists need more common tools to use, so those methods are listed here in roughly descending order of suitability:

Ethanol
Regular alcohol at a dose of 25 ml per liter will cause respiratory collapse and death in fishes within 30 minutes. The trouble is that alcohol is not available in pure form unless it has been “denatured” by the addition of distasteful chemicals such as turpentine. Vodka is about 40% alcohol by volume, so using it 62 ml per liter will give an effective dose.

Decapitation/pithing
Cutting a fish’s spinal cord, right behind the head, is a quick method of euthanasia that is approved for use in food fishes (where the use of chemicals would otherwise make the flesh unfit to eat). The issue is really that the method is distasteful for most people to do, so it is rarely used by aquarists. However, it is quick and effective.

Freezing
Placing the affected fish in a small amount of aquarium water in a sealed container and then placing the container in a freezer is a euthanasia technique used by some people. However, it is slow to work, so it is not considered humane. Its appeal as a method is that the fish is “out of sight” so people feel more detached from the process.

An option of last resort
The animals in your aquariums are completely reliant on you for proper care. It is your responsibility to see to it that their lives in captivity are humane as possible and that all of their needs are met. If you cannot meet their needs, please find someone who is more able. Euthanasia should be considered only for health reasons, not because it is no longer convenient to care for an animal.

Jay
 
Thanks for the reply. That is a bummer to hear. I’ll think it over for a bit. What’s a morally acceptable way to euthanize a fish?
Many methods used by reefers, Mine is to place in bag and place bag in freezer until garbage day
 
Thanks for the reply. Do you also suggest euthanasia in this case?
Yes- jay gave you best assessment
Rectal prolapse rarely ends well and the money you would spend in attempt to offer relief , would make it cheaper to replace the clown sadly to say
 
Yes- jay gave you best assessment
Rectal prolapse rarely ends well and the money you would spend in attempt to offer relief , would make it cheaper to replace the clown sadly to say
Ok got it, I do understand why it would be best. As far as money goes I’m not concerned, but if there were a course of action to consider what would that be?
 
Ok got it, I do understand why it would be best. As far as money goes I’m not concerned, but if there were a course of action to consider what would that be?
First, getting it to eat
Then. . retraction if it will
followed by antibiotics but this is gross deformity and infection
 
First, getting it to eat
Then. . retraction if it will
followed by antibiotics but this is gross deformity and infection
It never stopped eating and continues to feed as normal. It also has a normal amount of energy as well. Is it beyond the use of kanaplex? The damage is severe enough that idk how it could recover, but I haven’t been around very long. It doesn’t appear that it’s had a rectal prolapse as of yet.
 
It never stopped eating and continues to feed as normal. It also has a normal amount of energy as well. Is it beyond the use of kanaplex? The damage is severe enough that idk how it could recover, but I haven’t been around very long. It doesn’t appear that it’s had a rectal prolapse as of yet.
Well . . . if eating, you can feed it brine shrimp which can act as a laxative and offer Kanaplex but realize its purely a gamble
 
Well . . . if eating, you can feed it brine shrimp which can act as a laxative and offer Kanaplex but realize its purely a gamble
Ok I understand. Thanks for the continued advice. I have a qt tank ready to go and brine shrimp on hand. Will pick up some kanaplex and give it a shot.
 
It never stopped eating and continues to feed as normal. It also has a normal amount of energy as well. Is it beyond the use of kanaplex? The damage is severe enough that idk how it could recover, but I haven’t been around very long. It doesn’t appear that it’s had a rectal prolapse as of yet.

Can you see if the anus is in front of the body damage? It didn't look like it in the photo, but if it is, then only the muscle is affected (no vital organs) and the, antibiotics *might* work (but I'm still very doubtful).

Jay
 
Can you see if the anus is in front of the body damage? It didn't look like it in the photo, but if it is, then only the muscle is affected (no vital organs) and the, antibiotics *might* work (but I'm still very doubtful).

Jay
It’s hard to tell but I’d say unlikely. As the damaged area is quite long.
With an issue like this regardless of the outcome, should I go fallow on my DT before adding any new fish?
 
It’s hard to tell but I’d say unlikely. As the damaged area is quite long.
With an issue like this regardless of the outcome, should I go fallow on my DT before adding any new fish?

IMO - bacterial issues are most often isolated with the fish that has the infection. Rarely, will a bacterial infection spread across multiple fish - and when that does happen, the symptoms are different (like with Mycobacterium).

I do not think that a fallow period would be helpful/needed in this case.

Jay
 
IMO - bacterial issues are most often isolated with the fish that has the infection. Rarely, will a bacterial infection spread across multiple fish - and when that does happen, the symptoms are different (like with Mycobacterium).

I do not think that a fallow period would be helpful/needed in this case.

Jay
Ok got it. Thanks again for the advice and assistance!
 
Just wanted to provide an update. Clown has been in qt for about 9 days now. Dosing kanaplex in the water, feeding kanaplex medicated brine shrimp and pellets. 3 doses in the water and 4-5 medicated feeds in that timespan. Seeing progress as the damaged area appears to be recovering slowly. It continues to eat and swim with energy, and the exposed area is now covered with semi translucent flesh. It also continues to poop as expected.
 

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That looks promising!

Please keep us posted, this would be such an awesome success story :)
I’m hopeful at this stage haha! Yeah I will update again once I either move him back to the display or if the condition worsens from here.
 

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