Completely Random Single Death?

Good pics = good advice.
Fish appears to have velvet and a bacterial infection affecting its'; skin. Swimming in the power heads was a version of relief from irritation it was experiencing. Are you able to get a second opinion on water parameters from friend or pet store?
Inverts look healthy which points to fish and/or condition on fish. It is not necessarily anything you did wrong but may be the health of the fish from the store where you purchased them. PLEASE TELL ME/US YOU DID NOT GET THEM FROM A PETCO?
Got Params checked today by LFS, ammonia and nitrite-0, nitrate-11 ppm, 8.0 pH. Anemone and inverts are unaffected it seems, but I am worried for the scooter dragonet that has yet to show symptoms.
I got both snowflakes from my LFS, they ordered them from ORA for me and neither the LFS or I quarantined (which I have since learned is the biggest mistake possible in saltwater keeping ever).
 
Quarantining helpful but not as important as acclimation. How Did you acclimate them?
Based on nitrate reading, water changed needed. Bring that number down in half. Tank looks nice for a 20 gal. I have three tanks. Go slow and learn from mistakes and that of others in these discussions.
We all start somewhere. This is one if my tanks- 93g cube
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I had a fairly expensive Kole Tang for about 2 or 3 months that seemed to be doing fantastic. Then as the saying goes—“overnight”—he was swimming into the power head like nobody’s business. From all that I had read (“Thank you” @Humblefish !), I knew the Marine Velvet kiss-of-death was pounding on the door. I got ALL my fish out of my 90 gallon DT (using the ‘low-tide method’— time consuming, but you will keep your sanity) and into a hospital tank to begin running copper. All the fish are currently in treatment as the tank goes fallow for 12 weeks (I’m not playing around this time!), but the Kole Tang got hit too hard; 48-hours between power-head-swimming and never swimming again :(
 
I had a fairly expensive Kole Tang for about 2 or 3 months that seemed to be doing fantastic. Then as the saying goes—“overnight”—he was swimming into the power head like nobody’s business. From all that I had read (“Thank you” @Humblefish !), I knew the Marine Velvet kiss-of-death was pounding on the door. I got ALL my fish out of my 90 gallon DT (using the ‘low-tide method’— time consuming, but you will keep your sanity) and into a hospital tank to begin running copper. All the fish are currently in treatment as the tank goes fallow for 12 weeks (I’m not playing around this time!), but the Kole Tang got hit too hard; 48-hours between power-head-swimming and never swimming again :(
You said, FAIRLY EXPENSIVE KOLE TANG. How much are Koles at your LFS? Here in Wi, they go for $23.99
 
Quarantining helpful but not as important as acclimation. How Did you acclimate them?
Based on nitrate reading, water changed needed. Bring that number down in half. Tank looks nice for a 20 gal. I have three tanks. Go slow and learn from mistakes and that of others in these discussions.
We all start somewhere. This is one if my tanks- 93g cube
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I immediately did a 50% water change after finding the dead fish, sadly I’ve never been able to get nitrates below 4-5ppm in the history of any of my tanks, ever. Any advice on that? The LFS gave me Prime to solidify the nitrate but I’ve never used that before. The biggest problem I’m figuring out today is where to set up a QT in my 433 sq ft apartment.
I acclimate everything for at least 40 mins (fish) -1.5 hours (anemones, corals), by drip acclimation!
 
Quarantining helpful but not as important as acclimation. [/ATTACH]

Don't know that I agree with this. After QT, failure to properly acclimate risks the new fish going into the DT. Failure to QT risks your entire tank.
 
I had a fairly expensive Kole Tang for about 2 or 3 months that seemed to be doing fantastic. Then as the saying goes—“overnight”—he was swimming into the power head like nobody’s business. From all that I had read (“Thank you” @Humblefish !), I knew the Marine Velvet kiss-of-death was pounding on the door. I got ALL my fish out of my 90 gallon DT (using the ‘low-tide method’— time consuming, but you will keep your sanity) and into a hospital tank to begin running copper. All the fish are currently in treatment as the tank goes fallow for 12 weeks (I’m not playing around this time!), but the Kole Tang got hit too hard; 48-hours between power-head-swimming and never swimming again :(
I had a fairly expensive Kole Tang for about 2 or 3 months that seemed to be doing fantastic. Then as the saying goes—“overnight”—he was swimming into the power head like nobody’s business. From all that I had read (“Thank you” @Humblefish !), I knew the Marine Velvet kiss-of-death was pounding on the door. I got ALL my fish out of my 90 gallon DT (using the ‘low-tide method’— time consuming, but you will keep your sanity) and into a hospital tank to begin running copper. All the fish are currently in treatment as the tank goes fallow for 12 weeks (I’m not playing around this time!), but the Kole Tang got hit too hard; 48-hours between power-head-swimming and never swimming again :(
that must be a heck of a big QT! Good to hear that you saved some life after seeing symptoms!
I’m looking up low tide method now, thank you!
 
I immediately did a 50% water change after finding the dead fish, sadly I’ve never been able to get nitrates below 4-5ppm in the history of any of my tanks, ever. Any advice on that? The LFS gave me Prime to solidify the nitrate but I’ve never used that before. The biggest problem I’m figuring out today is where to set up a QT in my 433 sq ft apartment.
I acclimate everything for at least 40 mins (fish) -1.5 hours (anemones, corals), by drip acclimation!

Some nitrates are okay. Mine run around 10-15. Nitrates aren't what caused you problem. Failure to quarantine has.

But please don't get discouraged. Everyone here has made these mistakes. Mistakes go away with experience.
 
Some nitrates are okay. Mine run around 10-15. Nitrates aren't what caused you problem. Failure to quarantine has.

But please don't get discouraged. Everyone here has made these mistakes. Mistakes go away with experience.
Good to hear about nitrates. I was sure my Xenia AND BTA enjoyed the little dirty.
Could the LFS quarantine for me, and I check on the fish 3 times a week? Would this be a close second to having your own QT?
 
Good to hear about nitrates. I was sure my Xenia AND BTA enjoyed the little dirty.
Could the LFS quarantine for me, and I check on the fish 3 times a week? Would this be a close second to having your own QT?

They probably could, but two things:

A) they would probably charge you
B) You already know they have diseased fish. Them QTing your fish doesn't ensure they won't get reinfected because of their carelessness.
 
They probably could, but two things:

A) they would probably charge you
B) You already know they have diseased fish. Them QTing your fish doesn't ensure they won't get reinfected because of their carelessness.
Oh. B) is definitely true. That was a moronic mistake, lol.
I read a post last night on ReefCentral where some reef keepers believe all of our tanks have the biological bacteria in them, and when a stress event happens, the fish will fall sick. Thoughts on this?
 
Oh. B) is definitely true. That was a moronic mistake, lol.
I read a post last night on ReefCentral where some reef keepers believe all of our tanks have the biological bacteria in them, and when a stress event happens, the fish will fall sick. Thoughts on this?

Eh, I don't buy it, but I'm no expert. I hear people all the time saying that every tank has ich, but I can't believe it. I started with cleaned, dry rock, and QT every fish in my tank. I've brought some serious stress on to some of my more ich prone tank inhabitants, and I've never had an outbreak.
 
Good to hear about nitrates. I was sure my Xenia AND BTA enjoyed the little dirty.
Could the LFS quarantine for me, and I check on the fish 3 times a week? Would this be a close second to having your own QT?

Could they? Sure. Can you trust them to do so properly? I wouldn't.

I went to a local pet store and purchased the following for the pair of clowns I mentioned earlier:

- 10 gallon tank. ($9.99)
- Hang on back filter rated at 100 gallons per hour. ($39.99)
- LED light from eBay. ($14.99)
- 50 Watt heater from eBay. ($9.99)

I used water taken from another tank during a water change to fill.

So for $75 bucks, I'm ready to go. It doesn't take up a lot of room and is inexpensive to keep running on standby in case of an emergency.
 
If room in a tiny, tiny appartment is at an absolute premium, you could think about quarantining using the “tank transfer method” (read up on it) using two small 2-gallon fishbowls, assuming you are only going to QT one fish at a time, and are willing to do mix a lot of salt water over the course of several weeks. It’s a bit labor intensive, but when you are finished quarantining you can throw the 2 fishbowls in a closet until the next time. (Also, use a Seachem ammonia badge— $7 on Amazon, and they last a year.)
 
Could they? Sure. Can you trust them to do so properly? I wouldn't.

I went to a local pet store and purchased the following for the pair of clowns I mentioned earlier:

- 10 gallon tank. ($9.99)
- Hang on back filter rated at 100 gallons per hour. ($39.99)
- LED light from eBay. ($14.99)
- 50 Watt heater from eBay. ($9.99)

I used water taken from another tank during a water change to fill.

So for $75 bucks, I'm ready to go. It doesn't take up a lot of room and is inexpensive to keep running on standby in case of an emergency.
Is water transfer enough to make that QT tank not cycle?
I’m hoping my LFS has the ammonia lock/badge something that @JumboShrimp mentioned.
And @JumboShrimp thank you for that idea introduction, looking@ it now, but the big thread on R2R says it is only valuable against ich, not velvet or brook...
I think my clown’s symptoms were moreso aligned with velvet, though it’s really tough to tell..
 
My LFS is 99% sure that the male clownfish got bullied, and stressed to death by the female.
Should I change LFSs?

Not saying they are necessarily wrong, but there should have been evidence that aggression was escalating between the two. Locking mouths, fins being nipped, bite marks, stuff like that. Clowns don't go from being fine to one turning homicidal overnight.
 
It’s been a while, so you may be right about the TT-method being used primarily to stay one step head of Ich; however, again, if you are willing to do frequent water changes, a couple of small 2 gallon fishbowls might mean less cost in medications in addition to the flexibility of ‘breaking down’ the quarantine/hospital tanks when you are done. Take them over to the sink and pour them out, and you’re done. I’m thinking with one small fish in there at a time, you should be able to get 2-4 good days at a time without a need to change the water due to ammonia build-up; hence the alert badge as a reminder.
 
Tank Transfer Method doesn't help with velvet, and that's probably the most likely disease for you to encounter right now.

As far as ditching your LFS, I say no. You should just lower your expectations of ANY LFS. There really isn't much they can do about fish disease that makes economical sense. Sure they could prophylactic QT everything, but that would be very expensive and drive the price of their fish up. The vast majority of their customers probably would just think they were overpriced and buy from their competitors.

As far as whether or not to QT, i've bought about 30 fish in the last two years, stocking my own tank and that of my nephew. Most of my purchases were from Live Aquaria and Divers' Den, which probably have better disease prevention protocols than most local fish stores, but about 60% of the fish have displayed disease symptoms within the first couple of days after I received them. That has been true of both LFS and online purchases. The one exception has been online purchases of ORA captive bred fish purchased at LA, which seem to come directly from ORA in FL (and possibly skipping the normal distribution chain). That could also be a coincidence, so I don't take chances. To me, all this simply means the responsibility for clearing the fish of diseases falls on me. It's a bummer, because there's definitely a learning curve, but it's not all that inconvenient once you get the hang of it.

To me the super important things are:
1) seed filter media with bio-spira so you don't have to worry about ammonia.
2) get the salinity in your QT to match the water your fish will come in so acclimation is easy
3) use chelated copper like copper power for 2 weeks after bringing it up to theraputic levels over 2 to 4 days depending on sensitivity of the species (using a hanna checker to measure) - this makes copper easy and covers the most likely and probably most disasterous disease, velvet (bonus, it also covers ich)
4) transfer to a clean tank and administer general cure twice a week apart (covers flukes which are super common and uronema which is also pretty common in some species)
5) be ready to administer the trifecta or NFG if a bacterial infection pops up (this happens to me a lot with wrasses and anthias, others have reported it's common with angels)
6) have either Ruby Reef Rally or a formalin product on hand in case of emergency
7) also have a specimen container on hand in case you need to do a freshwater dip (which I end up doing often to rule out flukes)

This is going to cover you for the vast majority of what you're likely to encounter. The other things, like focus + metro for internal parasites don't kill as fast, so you can acquire meds as they pop up usually.

You can do all this with the 10g setup @Dom described above. It isn't cheap, but it is relatively easy, particularly after you've done it once or twice.
 

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