Coral & Anenome placement.

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I'm hoping folks can help me figure out coral & anenome placement. As you can see in the attached picture I have 5 main areas for placement.

I plan on starting with some zoas and a RBTA. I would like to place the RBTA on the orange section... bottom left of the picture, but I am not sure if it's a good idea to place the RBTA near the bottom since they require quite a bit of light. I am running 2 Acan 600 prism LED fictures. The blue areas on the shelfs will most likely bo zoas... although the yellow section would be good for that as well. I am thinking of keeping the highest part.. purple section for SPS.

What do you guys and gals think?

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Should be a good place to try it but remember if it's unhappy it's going to move and find a spot it likes. Also being new to the hobby and a freshly setup tank I'd advise to hold off on a nem until you have proper maintenance down and stable parameters. Get down the basics of testing and keeping the zoas happy get a clean up crew and slowly add fish. Only bad things happen by rushing in this hobby.
 
Thanks. I am in no rush. The reason I was thinking of starting with the nem is for precisely what you stated.. they wonder until they find a good spot. I am afraid that if i get one after I have other corals then they may get damaged while the nem is wondering around.
 
Nems move, just because they find a spot or where you think it should go doesnt mean it will stay. All the changes that happen with all new tanks ( lighting, flow, maturation) can and will irritate nems. They really need a larger tank. If your certain, the best options are Flowers or bubble tips. They are your best bets for minimal movement. They are coral killers when they do move so anything in the way isnt off the list. Nems are more of a disappointment than a satisfying experiance. I like your thoughts on the zoa placement. All the best
 
E. quadricolors (( BTA )) are rock dwelling anemones, usually having their foot deep in the rock, so take that into consideration.
Don't see the 2 blue areas are a place it would want to settle -- too flat.

This is an old old picture, but if you look you can see how the foot is buried, and really can almost see the base of it. (( lower left part of the picture ))

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When placing Zoas. Should I attach them directly to my rock work or should I attach them to another rock and then attach that rock to my rockwork? What is the most common method for this? I often see folks who are selling colonies and I wonder what they are attached to. As you can see I don't have a lot of small rocks in my tank. I wonder if attaching zoas to my large shelves will be a problem if I ever need to frag or move them.

I see most folks suggesting against the RBTA at least for a while so I think I will hold off on it for at least a few months.
 
I would use smaller half round rocks since most will grow to colony size and it will be easier to frag when your ready. You can also move them around at will. I would not attach the smaller rocks to the larger one, you will want the freedom to choose later. If you glue them to the larger rock then, you know, thats it. Taking smaller rocks or rocks out of the tank makes it much easier to attach your frags.

First thing first ALWAYS use gloves when handling zoas. They have a toxin that could cause you alot of pain and a possible hospital visit. Using a new toothbrush brush off the algae on area of the rock you want to attach it to. Place reef glue on the rock and attach and hold the zoa frag on to the rock until dry. Saltwater will help it cure much quicker. If you become good at it you can do it all underwater and not have to take the rock out of the tank.
 
I want a nem so bad, but I have coral everywhere and nems will go where they are happy even if it means killing a coral that's in it's way. unless of course they decide to go into the powerhead.
 
I want a nem so bad, but I have coral everywhere and nems will go where they are happy even if it means killing a coral that's in it's way. unless of course they decide to go into the powerhead.
I felt the same way and just kept researching and youtubing Nems and LPS since I am mainly LPS.
I saw plenty of evidence that showed it was ok, even saw some where Torches stung the Nem instead of other way around.
When I was ok with testing out a cheaper BTA I gave it a shot...
Since then i have about 7 Rainbow BTA all split from the same and I recently got a carpet nem.
The bubbles got into their spots and if they ever move which is rare, its by inches and usually back to their spot.
My carpet i designated a spot where i know it it wouldnt climb over, placed a big rock there and a bunch of sand for it to dig into and it did just that... It moves a few inches as well but stays there and does not climb over the rock.
If you want one that bad, try it out... depending on how big your tank is, you may have the space to test.
 
I have a pair of rock anemonies and they tend to move around trying to find the right amount of light. If it's too bright they move down between the rocks and when they want more light they climb back to the top of the rocks. Flow doesn't seem to be the issue with them as long as it brings some food.
 
I have a lot of open sandbed, but I know a nem won't stay their. don't think I want to try a carpet as a first nem. I can see problems with anywhere I place it.
 
Doesn't really matter where you "place" your anemone. Unless it's a tube anemone it will determine its home on its own....regardless of what you want. You can try and lure it to stay in certain locations with target feeding but I have had anemone's move anyway.
 
I have a lot of open sandbed, but I know a nem won't stay their. don't think I want to try a carpet as a first nem. I can see problems with anywhere I place it.
When i did decide to try it out, i got a rock with a lot of holes in it to try and coax the nem to plant its foot there and it worked...

I mean at this point i see my Bubble tip stretch and touch a shroom here and there with no issues...
I did see one of my smaller ones walk once and touch a frog and they both did not like it.
I ended up moving the frog but, it was a $10 frag to begin with so i wasnt worried too much. I guess it depends on how bad you want one and how expensive your corals are...
 
I have had carpets, maxi mini carpets, and BTA's all touch various corals at various times....doesn't guarantee disaster....just puts you at higher risk.

I had a RBTA that when open touched a hammer coral on one side and birdsnest on the other. No issues....but when I put kenya tree's in it would immediately go on the move and within a week the kenya was a gonner and my RBTA appeared to have a new home.
 
@ca2or you know, I recently added a few large Green Kenya tree to my system and one was next to my carpet on the other side of the rock, and it looked like my carpet was unhappy for that week...
they have since been fine, but i was wondering if the Kenya tree released anything that bothered the carpet...
 
I dont' know.....I thought it was coincidental until it did it on 3 occasions. Can't say I was unhappy as I am not really a kenya tree fan, but I tried 3 times and all 3 times the anemone made short work of it.
 
Oh the irony. It makes sense to put a BTA in first so it can pick out the best spot, but it will likely die unless your tank is matured somewhat.

Using logical thought process:
If 1) Nem should go in before coral
and 2) Nem should not go in until tank has matured somewhat
then 3) Coral should _also_ not go in until tank has matured somewhat, even if they wouldn't have a problem otherwise

I have kept both a carpet nem and a White BTA. The carpet died (put it in when the tank had only been cycled for two months), the BTA is thriving after two weeks in the DT. Tentacles are nice thick and bubbly, mouth closed. My only issue is he moves every night after the lights go out (no I did not put my lights on an acclimation program when I introduced the BTA, but the lights are not overly intense to begin with). While I understand that BTA's are known for being relatively mobile compared to other nems, moving to a new spot every single night seems a bit excessive. I'm not overly worried about his health since his mouth is closed and tentacles are full & bubbly, but it would appear that he's not done getting the lay of the land and I'm learning a lot about his preferences as I go.

I have _read_ that BTA's like both high light and high flow.
I have _experienced_ that they like low light and high flow.

It is too soon to tell if the sensitivity to light is part of the acclimation process. It's been two weeks since he was put in the DT, maybe he's still settling in. But he has moved every single night after the lights have gone out, settling in a different place each time. I will say that the past few days he's been settling in places with slightly higher light. I don't know if he's starting to prefer that, or if he's just been unlucky lately in choosing spots because he only moves when the lights are off and has no way of knowing if he's settled in a bright or shady spot until the next morning.

Either way, the behavior I have no doubt about is that he definitely prefers rock to sand (unlike the carpet nem) and his favorite spots are places where the foot can really get wedged in deeply. It's almost as if, if his foot is exposed to any light or flow whatsoever, he will not be entirely satisfied with the spot. He seems to want the foot completely protected from anything/everything, while wanting to keep the oral disk/tentacles exposed out in the light/flow. That certainly makes logical sense from an evolutionary perspective.

I mention all of this as a way of suggesting that your preferred area for the BTA might not work, at least not initially (because it is very exposed to light and there is not a deep crevice to entice it), and to emphasize just how protective BTAs are of their foot. This has all been a revelation over the last two weeks as I try to help the BTA find his happy place. IME, providing the perfect crevice (one where the foot can completely fill up the crevice with no "backdoor" that light or flow or fish can reach) is critical for getting the BTA to settle where you want it. And even if you do provide that crevice, the BTA might not take to it at first because he may be especially sensitive to light or just unsettled/mobile in general.

I just wish I could tell you if my experience is how BTAs regularly behave or if this is all symptomatic of a BTA that simply hasn't fully acclimated. Something to keep in mind as you go down this similar path.
 
Just know this BTA's are going to do what they want regardless what you want if you can't accept it BTA's are not for you
 

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