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If you added ammonia the cycle has started
There should be detectable levels of either ammonia , nitrite or nitrate and api kits have always proved I either had sow detectable levels or not.
The lack of accuracy and the higher resolution is their downfall testing levels far above acceptable ( using phosphate kit as a example )

If all are zero . I would automatically assume testing error or expired reagent
 
If you added ammonia the cycle has started
There should be detectable levels of either ammonia , nitrite or nitrate and api kits have always proved I either had sow detectable levels or not.
The lack of accuracy and the higher resolution is their downfall testing levels far above acceptable ( using phosphate kit as a example )

If all are zero . I would automatically assume testing error or expired reagent
Yea, it's unfortunate but I must have received a dead test kit!
 
So maybe it took a bit of time, but my API test showed positive for ammonia. It is however, still within the 0ppm range based on the API color scale. My Nitrite showed 0ppm as well but showed the light tint of blue and my PH was at 7.8. I am still waiting for the red sea kit I ordered but for now it seems that the tests are working though still hard to read.
 
So maybe it took a bit of time, but my API test showed positive for ammonia. It is however, still within the 0ppm range based on the API color scale. My Nitrite showed 0ppm as well but showed the light tint of blue and my PH was at 7.8. I am still waiting for the red sea kit I ordered but for now it seems that the tests are working though still hard to read.
Nitrates ?
 
Added bottled bacteria on the 8th.
Added ammonia as instructed.
Wait 10 days from then, water change what you're comfortable managing and you will have life support. Read up on disease prevention and qt protocols while you wait.

I don't have the exact link handy but @brandon429 surely has it at the ready where you can read multiple posts that shows you're fine.

I can attest personally that adding bottled bacteria and waiting only 10 days will have your tank ready for fish without a single test for ammonia conducted, as I did it myself to help show it's possible.
 
Added bottled bacteria on the 8th.
Added ammonia as instructed.
Wait 10 days from then, water change what you're comfortable managing and you will have life support. Read up on disease prevention and qt protocols while you wait.

I don't have the exact link handy but @brandon429 surely has it at the ready where you can read multiple posts that shows you're fine.

I can attest personally that adding bottled bacteria and waiting only 10 days will have your tank ready for fish without a single test for ammonia conducted, as I did it myself to help show it's possible.
Brandon types each lecture out specifically for each member .

I think it might be memorized or copy and paste … not sure
 
for fun you should turn this into a testless cycle thread

it’s not about testing to complete a cycle, its about waiting the pre calculated number of days this bacteria brand takes to adhere strongly to surfaces as logged in Dr. Reefs bottle bac thread

take half a pinch of ground up fish food ground into powder and add it

wait a total of ten days from Sunday when you started with the ammonia and bac, so July 19th and do a large water change, youre cycled. It doesn’t matter what your tests read, you’re cycled because ten days is the plating date for that bacteria already known. Old cycling science assesses your cycle as something that might not complete on time or has an open ended completion date, that isn’t true.

new cycling science knows that ammonia is the only parameter that matters in reef cycling and it’s known control date # of days is day ten, see any common cycling chart for a second source of the universality of the ten day wait in reef cycling. Nitrite has no bearing here, it’s chemically neutral in a reef tank since we aren’t freshwater cycling.

nitrate has no bearing because a zero reading doesn’t mean uncycled, lots of cycled tanks here are zero nitrate tanks and they add some to bring up levels but not for cycling bac control.

the natural timing of ammonia control is already shown on any cycling chart and in any logged bottle bac study for this strain. Wasting your $ on test kits still isn’t updated cycling science— that just named your exact fish ready date: July 19th

need to study up on disease preps before making use the tanks carry ability

just because you can control ammonia by that calculated date doesn’t mean crypto won’t wipe out the fish three months later: disease preps are your risk, your area of investment / the cycle is as good as done and is predetermined in completion. If this was a Fritz cycle it would be three days, see the studies.

your bottle bac strain would carry fish on day one, without burning them, because the dosed bacteria are floating in suspension / thousands do this and it doesn’t burn fish


what we are doing with the ten days is giving actual adherence time where the systems can endure water changes without losing functional bacteria. If you did a water change just after dosing Dr Tims bacteria that would export and waste a lot of it

your cycle isnt a challenge because the known ready date is so exact and close by. You’re adding carbon with the fish food trick, it’s like roids for cycling bacteria. No more ammonia nor testing is needed or would be accurate in context to the known calculated required wait time for natural adherence of the dosed bacteria. Let em eat what youve given + a zip of carbon and wait ten days from start date, done. = updated cycling science
 
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Nitrates ?
Nitrate is coming back as 0ppm still. Well not even seeing any color in the tube it's just clear! So inconclusive or zero! The base liquid for nitrate us yellow so since it hasn't changed I am assuming 0ppm!
 

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for fun you should turn this into a testless cycle thread

it’s not about testing to complete a cycle, its about waiting the pre calculated number of days this bacteria brand takes to adhere strongly to surfaces as logged in Dr. Reefs bottle bac thread

take half a pinch of ground up fish food ground into powder and add it

wait a total of ten days from Sunday when you started with the ammonia and bac, so July 19th and do a large water change, youre cycled. It doesn’t matter what your tests read, you’re cycled because ten days is the plating date for that bacteria already known. Old cycling science assesses your cycle as something that might not complete on time or has an open ended completion date, that isn’t true.

new cycling science knows that ammonia is the only parameter that matters in reef cycling and it’s known control date # of days is day ten, see any common cycling chart for a second source of the universality of the ten day wait in reef cycling. Nitrite has no bearing here, it’s chemically neutral in a reef tank since we aren’t freshwater cycling.

nitrate has no bearing because a zero reading doesn’t mean uncycled, lots of cycled tanks here are zero nitrate tanks and they add some to bring up levels but not for cycling bac control.

the natural timing of ammonia control is already shown on any cycling chart and in any logged bottle bac study for this strain. Wasting your $ on test kits still isn’t updated cycling science— that just named your exact fish ready date: July 19th

need to study up on disease preps before making use the tanks carry ability

just because you can control ammonia by that calculated date doesn’t mean crypto won’t wipe out the fish three months later: disease preps are your risk, your area of investment / the cycle is as good as done and is predetermined in completion. If this was a Fritz cycle it would be three days, see the studies.

your bottle bac strain would carry fish on day one, without burning them, because the dosed bacteria are floating in suspension / thousands do this and it doesn’t burn fish


what we are doing with the ten days is giving actual adherence time where the systems can endure water changes without losing functional bacteria. If you did a water change just after dosing Dr Tims bacteria that would export and waste a lot of it

your cycle isnt a challenge because the known ready date is so exact and close by. You’re adding carbon with the fish food trick, it’s like roids for cycling bacteria. No more ammonia nor testing is needed or would be accurate in context to the known calculated required wait time for natural adherence of the dosed bacteria. Let em eat what youve given + a zip of carbon and wait ten days from start date, done. = updated cycling science
I'm slowly stating to understand, your explanation makes sense. I'm sitting here chasing numbers for a multitude of of things when I just need some patience for the bacteria to settle in. The ammonia has already started to show, it's just a matter of time at this point. Now I do regret buying more test kits but between API and the red sea one I guess I'm good for a few years lol. I can definitely turn this into a testless cycle thread!
 
Nitrate is coming back as 0ppm still. Well not even seeing any color in the tube it's just clear! So inconclusive or zero! The base liquid for nitrate us yellow so since it hasn't changed I am assuming 0ppm!
The colour should be at min the same
Yellow as the reagent .

The darker yellow , orange the higher the nitrate levels

Are you shaking the life out of it
Prior to dropping into the vial .
And following instructing.
Shake bottle #2 for the time in one hand while
Shaking the vial with #1 for the same
Time .

Believe it’s 1 or 2
Mins and setting a timer
For 5
Mins after shaking ?

These tests instructions need to be followed to be effective
 
I'm slowly stating to understand, your explanation makes sense. I'm sitting here chasing numbers for a multitude of of things when I just need some patience for the bacteria to settle in. The ammonia has already started to show, it's just a matter of time at this point. Now I do regret buying more test kits but between API and the red sea one I guess I'm good for a few years lol. I can definitely turn this into a testless cycle thread!
As per Dr. Tims' I'm pretty much just dosing 2ppm of ammonia again on day 6 and by next week I can add fish!
 
The colour should be at min the same
Yellow as the reagent .

The darker yellow , orange the higher the nitrate levels

Are you shaking the life out of it
Prior to dropping into the vial .
And following instructing.
Shake bottle #2 for the time in one hand while
Shaking the vial with #1 for the same
Time .

Believe it’s 1 or 2
Mins and setting a timer
For 5
Mins after shaking ?

These tests instructions need to be followed to be effective
Oh shoot, I did the test wrong then -_-! Let me redo it now and I'll update!
 
Nothing else is needed, the first dose of bacteria and ammonia was plenty

only the fish food portion then the time, then done by 19th / do a big water change to start clean and have no algae fuel in the water, this overdosing of ammonia feeds the uglies in many tanks and one zip of it is enough, the bacteria can’t starve they get feed aside from the added ammonia via natural contamination pathways in a home

whether you do add more ammonia or not doesn’t change the ready date nor the carry ability for the tank
 
Nothing else is needed, the first dose of bacteria and ammonia was plenty

only the fish food portion then the time, then done by 19th / do a big water change to start clean and have no algae fuel in the water, this overdosing of ammonia feeds the uglies in many tanks and one zip of it is enough, the bacteria can’t starve they get feed aside from the added ammonia via natural contamination pathways in a home

whether you do add more ammonia or not doesn’t change the ready date nor the carry ability for the tank
How much of a water change is considered big? like 50%?
 
Follow the instructions on the card
.

Or follow
Brandon’s test less cycle theory
Redid the test the correct way it's about 0ppm for Nitrates as well! Nonetheless, things seem to be headed in the right direction! Now I just have to deal with this cloudy tank these sponges are doing **** all!
 
50% will only lower any high levels by a maximum of 50%
I can’t remember how big is enough or too much but it would depend on if there is livestock or not
Copy, I'll start with a 50% at the end of this week and go off of that!
 

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