Deep Sand Filtration

[jackson6745]

its just one choice. Read up on Ron Shimeck.
And better is gonna require some proof. Other is a better wording.

Edit; a dsb also house a large particulate "filter" so the 10,000 tiny arms also take the large particle food an poop directly off of the sand bed.

I read all of Ron's stuff and ran reefs many different ways. I have one word for you.

BETTER BETTER BETTER BETTER BETTER BETTER BETTER (Yes I am 3 years old)

 

[brandon429]

I read all of Rons stuff and see none of it being applied to long term nanos, so I wonder why its the assumed correct mode for large tanks too. I have no doubt that in the ocean, it goes down just like he says.

That's not to say that Ron and Eric B and Randy and Craig Bingman and Julian aren't my fav reefers of all time as sages, just that we may disagree over things from time to time as its very easy for me to type weightless counter opinions online heh. plus I keep thinking that as functional scale models, we should be able to replicate in nano reefs what the big tanks do, no problem, only smaller and with faster outcomes. we keep not being able to do that, regarding old school sandbed technique. I think Jackson and I might agree on the destinies of the typical sandbed, some poo and some sand is the destiny. if im wrong on that assumption ill stand corrected~

 

[jackson6745]

saltyfilmfolks I was only messing around so don't get mad at me

Brandon, I've kept DSB, BB, and SSB reefs from 24-120g through the last 18 years. For the last few years I have settled on a shallow sandbed because it looks great, stays clean with no maintenance, and is loaded with life. I find it easier too keep low nutrients in a heavily stocked SPS reef (like my current tank) using a filter sock, skimmer, denitrifying bio media, and a carbon source. I feed an enormous amount with 23 fish in a 115g system. Based on my experience of older systems, they would basically crash if stocked the way this reef is.

 

[brandon429]

yep I agree

some poo and some sand is funny it sure tickled me to type it

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

saltyfilmfolks I was only messing around so don't get mad at me

Brandon, I've kept DSB, BB, and SSB reefs from 24-120g through the last 18 years. For the last few years I have settled on a shallow sandbed because it looks great, stays clean with no maintenance, and is loaded with life. I find it easier too keep low nutrients in a heavily stocked SPS reef (like my current tank) using a filter sock, skimmer, denitrifying bio media, and a carbon source. I feed an enormous amount with 23 fish in a 115g system. Based on my experience of older systems, they would basically crash if stocked the way this reef is.

thats cool. Im 5.
The funniest thing is, in another thread said the exact same thing except only opposite pro DSB.
Thats reefing babe

I know a fellow pro shooter can only shoot landscapes. Faces may as well be a selfie.
I cant shoot a landscape for nuthin". Portraits, I sell.
Same Camera

 

[WetWhistle]

I read all of Rons stuff and see none of it being applied to long term nanos, so I wonder why its the assumed correct mode for large tanks too. I have no doubt that in the ocean, it goes down just like he says.

That's not to say that Ron and Eric B and Randy and Craig Bingman and Julian aren't my fav reefers of all time as sages, just that we may disagree over things from time to time as its very easy for me to type weightless counter opinions online heh. plus I keep thinking that as functional scale models, we should be able to replicate in nano reefs what the big tanks do, no problem, only smaller and with faster outcomes. we keep not being able to do that, regarding old school sandbed technique. I think Jackson and I might agree on the destinies of the typical sandbed, some poo and some sand is the destiny. if im wrong on that assumption ill stand corrected~

Nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone in this hobby. People have their own experiences and take different approaches to reach their goals. People should not take things as is but instead think things through and experiment to reach their own conclusions on top of researching.

 

[brandon429]

I will also add that while indeed scary, I'm honored for some of the goody algae war battles Randy and I had at times. It's similar to the honor and comeuppance a new boxer in life would feel getting to spar with foreman and getting link-punched in the mouth having asked for it, but revering and appreciating the punch, while still holding ground that nutrients being the real issue behind algae isnt lining up with today's giant threads. (fourth endless debate in reefing)

Takeaway: sometimes reef tank evolution feels like a good sore jaw one appreciates in hindsight. sore jaws are needed at times to avoid snake oil offers in our hobby, its the natural selection of things we type. That, and we're all permanent nerds.