Designer names for fish now?

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Just saw designer names for tangs now. This is outrageous. Unless it lives ten times longer or stays 10 times smaller. This has to stop or the hobby is going to be only for the 1% who can afford it. I know I don’t have to buy any of these designer names things but they also drive up the prices of everything.
 
Come to think of it, I have seen that recently.

Milky way gem tang, banana tang, etc.

I'm not a tang guy, so thought they were just describing the pattern. Not realizing they were attaching designer names to them, and charging a premium.
 
ROFL........

Barcode gem tang. dots are elongated instead of dots, and that warrants a 1k price hike. Seriously, give me a break.
I should sell them my foxface that changes to camo when sleeping and call it camofox for 1k.
 
ROFL........

Barcode gem tang. dots are elongated instead of dots, and that warrants a 1k price hike. Seriously, give me a break.
Also a certain place is cranking price of scopas as blue or koi but they aren’t that special for a scopas. Everything people name now to Jack up price or try and keep us from eating it
 
I think it's funny you guys are picking on Designer names for some big ticket fish but you don't think anything about Storm Clowns, Platinum Clowns, Wyoming Whites, etc.

20 years ago when clown breeding was just becoming commercialized I worked with an east coast company, I would pay for shipping and a couple of times a year they would ship me all their imperfect fish. I donated the fish out to schools and those in need.

If not for me finding them homes, these imperfect fish would be culled (killed). Then someone started labelling them Mis-Bars, Naked, and breeding for the misbar patterns - And 20 years later we have designer clownfish.

Some of the tangs we are talking about are one of a kind. They are variants in nature that aren't reproduceable. No different than a Mis-barred Regal Angel - Each one is unique.

When Koi Tangs first were found years back I was involved with selling several hundred of the first ones to make it to the US. "Koi" describes a pattern. Koi fish, Koi Swordtails. And When you have a tang with several colors patterned on it, its a Koi Tang - Is that a designer name? There are 1000's of this fish available. But they only come from one lagoon, they only come in large sizes, and it's a fish only attractive to some people. Being it's limited range this fish deserves a premium price. Is it a designer name or a descriptive name?


Rabbi Tang 4.jpg



In 2019 I was given this sailfin tang. Your eyes do not deceive you, that's a hole thru the middle of the fish. It goes all the way thru, there is no scarring of the stripes of the fish. Just a clean hole thru it. Having been in this industry for decades and decades at both the wholesale, retail and collection level - I have never seen another fish with a perfect hole thru it. I have heard of a few being out there, but haven't come across another photo.

Does this fish deserve a special name to denote it from the rest of the sailfin's out there? I call him the "Rabbi" Tang - because it's the holiest fish out there. He got a write up on Reef builders several years back. Does this fish deserve a special name? If it's one of a kind and I name it the Rabbi tang... is it a designer name - Even if it will never be for sale?
(You can see the Rabbi Tang alive and well in our new 750g tank, watch it on the live webcam at o2manyfish.com)

Some fish deserve special notice. When you have a creature that has been reproducing to look exactly the same for the past couple hundred thousands of years when you come up with a one of a kind - Then it demands a special price. Back in the 90's I handled the sale of an Albino Imperator angel. A one of a kind fish, that garnered a special price, and has yet to be seen again. Does it not deserve a special name and demand a special price.

Now, to be fair some of these fish it would be immediately apparent to a child the fish is different from the norm. Things like a Milkyway Pattern, or a Bar-Code pattern - that you have to explain to a fish afishinado what makes it special - If you have to squint and defocus your eyes to see the 'uniqueness' of it - Does it deserve a special name?

And if it's a Unique Fish, is it a 'designer' name or just 'descriptive'.....

Dave B
 
I don’t think designer names are necessary. Call it what it is but then price it and describe it based on how it looks. “Koi” tangs. Okay it’s a multi-color pattern of a Scopas tang (generally. Adding a descriptor to the name is fine. Misbar clown…yep. But others (mostly clowns have this issue) just say white ocellaris or mottled ocellaris. I still can’t tell the difference between a Picasso, a storm, and certain misbars (especially when the LFS tosses them all in the same tank). Descriptor is fine. That gem tang name is a joke. It’s not descriptive it’s marketing. Something like “barred gem tang” should be enough. I don’t know. But then it’s deciding what’s a descriptor and what’s designer. Who’s calling the shots?
 
I think it's funny you guys are picking on Designer names for some big ticket fish but you don't think anything about Storm Clowns, Platinum Clowns, Wyoming Whites, etc.

20 years ago when clown breeding was just becoming commercialized I worked with an east coast company, I would pay for shipping and a couple of times a year they would ship me all their imperfect fish. I donated the fish out to schools and those in need.

If not for me finding them homes, these imperfect fish would be culled (killed). Then someone started labelling them Mis-Bars, Naked, and breeding for the misbar patterns - And 20 years later we have designer clownfish.

Some of the tangs we are talking about are one of a kind. They are variants in nature that aren't reproduceable. No different than a Mis-barred Regal Angel - Each one is unique.

When Koi Tangs first were found years back I was involved with selling several hundred of the first ones to make it to the US. "Koi" describes a pattern. Koi fish, Koi Swordtails. And When you have a tang with several colors patterned on it, its a Koi Tang - Is that a designer name? There are 1000's of this fish available. But they only come from one lagoon, they only come in large sizes, and it's a fish only attractive to some people. Being it's limited range this fish deserves a premium price. Is it a designer name or a descriptive name?


Rabbi Tang 4.jpg



In 2019 I was given this sailfin tang. Your eyes do not deceive you, that's a hole thru the middle of the fish. It goes all the way thru, there is no scarring of the stripes of the fish. Just a clean hole thru it. Having been in this industry for decades and decades at both the wholesale, retail and collection level - I have never seen another fish with a perfect hole thru it. I have heard of a few being out there, but haven't come across another photo.

Does this fish deserve a special name to denote it from the rest of the sailfin's out there? I call him the "Rabbi" Tang - because it's the holiest fish out there. He got a write up on Reef builders several years back. Does this fish deserve a special name? If it's one of a kind and I name it the Rabbi tang... is it a designer name - Even if it will never be for sale?
(You can see the Rabbi Tang alive and well in our new 750g tank, watch it on the live webcam at o2manyfish.com)

Some fish deserve special notice. When you have a creature that has been reproducing to look exactly the same for the past couple hundred thousands of years when you come up with a one of a kind - Then it demands a special price. Back in the 90's I handled the sale of an Albino Imperator angel. A one of a kind fish, that garnered a special price, and has yet to be seen again. Does it not deserve a special name and demand a special price.

Now, to be fair some of these fish it would be immediately apparent to a child the fish is different from the norm. Things like a Milkyway Pattern, or a Bar-Code pattern - that you have to explain to a fish afishinado what makes it special - If you have to squint and defocus your eyes to see the 'uniqueness' of it - Does it deserve a special name?

And if it's a Unique Fish, is it a 'designer' name or just 'descriptive'.....

Dave B
What if we named them mismarked gem tang. Would they charge as much maybe. My opinion and opinion only is it should just be called a gem tang. Adding the milkway or whatever else is just to increase value.
 
What if we named them mismarked gem tang. Would they charge as much maybe. My opinion and opinion only is it should just be called a gem tang. Adding the milkway or whatever else is just to increase value.

It could actually be a different species though, no? I guess it would take DNA testing to verify.
 
Many years back, these fish would have been culled from collection. They were not "perfect" specimens that represent the family they come from. @o2manyfish mentions this in his post, regarding clownfish breeding in the early days.

It seems these days we tend to embrace the oddballs(for lack of a better term), and deem them special, collectable, and because of that they are extra valuable.
 
Here's the thing, I guarantee if you sold these gem tang variants as the same OG line, you would have some unhappy customers complaining that their tang's pattern doesn't look like it's supposed to. So there's a need for an easy and obvious way to distinguish them and let the customer know that this fish doesn't look quite like the norm. How do we do this? By giving them a different name.
 
Hey, if people want it, someone will sell it. That's the way capitalism works. There's plenty of the common varieties of these fish available for purchase, so if someone wants to sell the unique ones and give them a fancy name to people who collect unique specimens and are willing to pay more for it, I don't have any issue with it.
 
Hey, if people want it, someone will sell it. That's the way capitalism works. There's plenty of the common varieties of these fish available for purchase, so if someone wants to sell the unique ones and give them a fancy name to people who collect unique specimens and are willing to pay more for it, I don't have any issue with it.
Silliest things I’ve read in a while. When you morph capitalism with livestock, nothing good comes of it. Plus unless there is sometime or paperwork or genetic test that irrefutably states this fish is different for x reason, you open the door to scam artists and people buying a tank today to sell fish out of tomorrow .
 

IF YOU HAD TO TAKE A REEFING EXAM, WOULD YOU PASS?

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