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Curious here how a po4>no3 is a set in stone indication for cyano. I understand redfield and I understand how some say this ratio has no baring in a reef. But is there not more to a cause of any outbreak (GHA) as bad as Ricky has (which reading here seems more to be a dry rock die off cycling issue) cyano is a completely different component than simply a no3:po4 scenario is it not? There has even been Adv aquarist Articles noted here about cyano and aiptaisia correlation. I just don't know if it is fair to concretely deduce that a po4:no3 is a contagion for cyano (or GHA). It's a bloom that has got to work its way through the system over time/over good water changes/flow/turnover/prudent feeding/proper livestock/striking nutrient import:export balance. Not a biologist not a chemist and not an expert just along for the ride and being mindful that drawing such conclusions from two hobbyist test kit numbers is not necessarily gospel. Keep posting. Thanks for the read. Greg

sure. overdose on carbon.

or find the countless carbon dosers that ran it for 6 months, hit rock bottom and then cyano outbreak. its a common issue plaguing forums.

tons of carbon po4>no3 almost 100% of the time. everything seems dandy til that nitrogen is gone.

ive been noticing the same with gha minus the carbon (speculation)
sometimes you will see both gha and cyano. i havent seen conclusive evidence why gha takes over when conditions are ripe for cyano except for the lack of carbon.

in almost every case ive observed and seen from my experience, bad things happen if po4 has the upper hand and no nitrogen. even if you are running gfo.

i am not saying this is how it is or to take my word as gospel. i am only sharing my experience/observations

hth
 
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sure. overdose on carbon.

or find the countless carbon dosers that ran it for 6 months, hit rock bottom and then cyano outbreak. its a common issue plaguing forums.

tons of carbon po4>no3 almost 100% of the time. everything seems dandy til that nitrogen is gone.

ive been noticing the same with gha minus the carbon (speculation)
sometimes you will see both gha and cyano. i havent seen conclusive evidence why gha takes over when conditions are ripe for cyano except for the lack of carbon.

in almost every case ive observed and seen from my experience, bad things happen if po4 has the upper hand and no nitrogen. even if you are running gfo.

i am not saying this is how it is or to take my word as gospel. i am only sharing my experience/observations

hth

Are you saying that when PO4 is higher than NO3 and there is an excess of carbon in the water it causes cyanobacteria?
 
Well it's official, I started my 120 gallon algae grow out tank today. I removed all the corals from the display to battle this issue. My frag tank is doing better than my display and will be housing my corals until the 120 is ready.
 
QT frag tank assuming?

No, I have a separate tank that has been running for a year that I grow all my LPS and a few acro's. 40 gallon breeder (bare bottom), 30 gallon refugium packed with macro algae, Vertex IN-180 protein skimmer, ROX 0.8 carbon and GFO in mesh bags.
 
Does anyone have a dosing calculator for Seachem Flourish Nitrogen? I want to raise my nitrates 3ppm in 100 gallons.

try 10 ml.
then test after an hour (depending on your turnover

you will be a little short.
i spoke with some vendors and some alternate sodium nitrate with potassium nitrate to avoid potassium od. it never really raised my potassium much ime but i guess if you want tl be safe thats another option
 
I added 1/4 tsp. of sodium nitrate powder to my 120 last night and tested the water this morning. I am still dosing 0.5 mL ZEOstart3 and 4 drops of Sponge Power daily.
Salinity - 1.026 (35 ppt)
Alkalinity – 7.4 (Salifert) 7/19 exp.
Calcium – 470 (Salifert) 2/20 exp.
Nitrate - 1.0 (Salifert) 6/16 exp.
Phosphate – 0.02 (Hanna) 3/17 exp.
Nitrates bumped up from 0 and phosphates went down from 0.06. I stopped using GFO and dosing lanthanum chloride. I believe I truly was nitrate limited and now the bacteria can do their work! I need to turn my calcium dosing pump off as 470 is too high for ZEOvit. I added another 1/4 tsp of sodium nitrate and will test again tonight.
 
I added 1/4 tsp. of sodium nitrate powder to my 120 last night and tested the water this morning. I am still dosing 0.5 mL ZEOstart3 and 4 drops of Sponge Power daily.
Salinity - 1.026 (35 ppt)
Alkalinity – 7.4 (Salifert) 7/19 exp.
Calcium – 470 (Salifert) 2/20 exp.
Nitrate - 1.0 (Salifert) 6/16 exp.
Phosphate – 0.02 (Hanna) 3/17 exp.
Nitrates bumped up from 0 and phosphates went down from 0.06. I stopped using GFO and dosing lanthanum chloride. I believe I truly was nitrate limited and now the bacteria can do their work! I need to turn my calcium dosing pump off as 470 is too high for ZEOvit. I added another 1/4 tsp of sodium nitrate and will test again tonight.

i notice my sps colors start to pale when they approach 1ppm nitrate, so i bump it to 3, then 5 over the course of a couple days.

after the dose, they really start growing and popping out nice over the week until i have to dose again
 

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