Devil's Armor being sold as Armegeddons
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TyreeUM
the other Tyree...
the only thing hurting the hobby are people that cant make the distinction between comming up with a name for a regular occuring paly morph and brand naming a coral like it was made by some company in a factory-this isnt a rolex or a pair of oakley sunglasses-how hard is it for people to understand that.
d.grcich
Fat bottom girls
Not that I would know but I guess it would be more like selling ditch weed for Panama red price. Is it the seller who is wrong for putting the name and price on it of a rarer weed or the buyer who was dumb enough to buy ditch at Panama red prices?:hammer:
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chadfarmer
profilux in the house
the naming thing is not just zoos
please remember
please remember
TyreeUM
the other Tyree...
but i have not heard this much rediculous ranting about any other coral (well not even really a coral) but palys and zoas-it is so stupid. I used to think it was funny when people would get up and say "he told me he was sending me the pink flamingo sunset day trippers but when I got them they were the princess nighting-gale goblet tippers-those are 25 dollars a polyp less he ripped me off!"...but its comic value has worn off and its just getting annoying
Atomikk
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Zoa naming is getting soo out of hand, that everyone has 3-4 names for the same zoa/paly. I can understand certain zoas to be named specifically.. but there are sooo many similar morphs of the same coral.
See the PPE thing is fine. The Purple Death is fine. But the orange duster PPE LE or Super Duper Greenie Meanine is just crazy advertising!
See the PPE thing is fine. The Purple Death is fine. But the orange duster PPE LE or Super Duper Greenie Meanine is just crazy advertising!
chadfarmer
profilux in the house
i agree
kappaknight
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Exactly. I feel like people on this forum are at an extreme. Not good or bad, but just at an extreme as a collector. 99.5% of the people out there are just happy to get zoas that aren't green or brown. I still remember when I first started about 18 months ago that hunting down a blue or pink zoa would have made my month. I didn't give a ... if it was Tubs Blues or Tubby's Blueballs as long as they were blue and held their color...
BigBadZoaDaddy
Orange ya gonna Frag it!
If we stuck with pink and red and purple palys we would never know what we are getting I think Zoaid or "names" help you understand that you are getting a certain type that is all the name is about IMO unless it has a LE or Tyree coral added to it? SO if you think nameing is stupid, you wouldn't buy my protopaly as green not knowing if it was Green button or Nuclear green? Yes? It seem and I am no expert, trust me I hate nameing things cause Ihave cool stuff that need names for anyone to even LOOK at it! LOL, but it has to do with Rareity in the hobby?
JMO,
BBZD
JMO,
BBZD
I go back and forth all the time on the naming thing... On one hand it makes others interested in the corals know exatly what you're talking about in an easy manner. If I say something in reference to my Purple Deaths most people into zoanthids would know instantly what polyp I'm speaking of. On the other hand, it gets much more hazy with the majority of Zoanthids. Take AOG for instance, it seems like that is the one zoanthid that people screw up the most. True AOG/Goochsters are stunning and will be about the most eye catching zoanthid in any tank while a lot of the polyps people try to pass off as AOG pale in comparison.
So, does the naming game help or hurt in this instance? It can do both and it's really up to the individual to decide if the coral they're getting is worth the price they're paying. However, if you're going to pull out a name to jack up the price of what you're selling, you had better have a dang good idea of exactly what it is you're selling and that person should be subject to scrutiny.
Overall I think the names are a bit silly, but they can also be very helpful. Like anything else in this HOBBY, if you take something too seriously the fun will be lost. Also, if you're trying to make a buck the fun will probably be lost. So much of this naming thing has evolved into a money making scheme for too many people. Tyree cashed in on his name, good for him. But, I will laugh in the face of anyone trying to convince me that Tyree and others trying to cash in on the name game are in it for the good of the hobby. You're not anyone a favor by searching endlessly for a coral that is "rare" or "unique" only to turn around and sell a frag of it for more than you paid for the entire coral to begin with.
So, my advice would be to take the naming thing for what it is. It's great for an easy way to decribe what you have. Use those names casually even if you're not sure you have the exact same coral that was originally named; there's no harm in that. But, when you're selling something and advertising a famous name in order to jack up the price or or increase the desirability of a coral, you had better be dang sure what you have is the real deal, lineage or not.
Sorry for the long incoherent rant. If anything doesn't make sense I blame the beer! :lol:
So, does the naming game help or hurt in this instance? It can do both and it's really up to the individual to decide if the coral they're getting is worth the price they're paying. However, if you're going to pull out a name to jack up the price of what you're selling, you had better have a dang good idea of exactly what it is you're selling and that person should be subject to scrutiny.
Overall I think the names are a bit silly, but they can also be very helpful. Like anything else in this HOBBY, if you take something too seriously the fun will be lost. Also, if you're trying to make a buck the fun will probably be lost. So much of this naming thing has evolved into a money making scheme for too many people. Tyree cashed in on his name, good for him. But, I will laugh in the face of anyone trying to convince me that Tyree and others trying to cash in on the name game are in it for the good of the hobby. You're not anyone a favor by searching endlessly for a coral that is "rare" or "unique" only to turn around and sell a frag of it for more than you paid for the entire coral to begin with.
So, my advice would be to take the naming thing for what it is. It's great for an easy way to decribe what you have. Use those names casually even if you're not sure you have the exact same coral that was originally named; there's no harm in that. But, when you're selling something and advertising a famous name in order to jack up the price or or increase the desirability of a coral, you had better be dang sure what you have is the real deal, lineage or not.
Sorry for the long incoherent rant. If anything doesn't make sense I blame the beer! :lol:
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delsol650
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It goes back to the BUYERS,
if people continue to buy the same type of zoo the goes usually for $2-$4 a polyp but has morphed in to a different color scheme or pattern then is being sold for $25-$300 and people buy for the new fancy name and want to be part of the " JONES's " then that just continues the cycle...
Do you really think people would continue to sell a polyp that's the size of a pencil eraser head for $300-$600 if he couldn't sell it out there..
its about " supply and demand " and the human feeling of " Be like the JONES's " to have what no one has yet or be like the folks who have the hottest newest stuff.
If you don't want to pay for it, the DON'T and don't complain that others are, but if you want to pay for it, good for you that you can afford it " its on you " to pay for $$$$$$$ for a piece of polyp that the size of an eraser head and can't really see the details of the piece till you use a camera or microscope....
if people continue to buy the same type of zoo the goes usually for $2-$4 a polyp but has morphed in to a different color scheme or pattern then is being sold for $25-$300 and people buy for the new fancy name and want to be part of the " JONES's " then that just continues the cycle...
Do you really think people would continue to sell a polyp that's the size of a pencil eraser head for $300-$600 if he couldn't sell it out there..
its about " supply and demand " and the human feeling of " Be like the JONES's " to have what no one has yet or be like the folks who have the hottest newest stuff.
If you don't want to pay for it, the DON'T and don't complain that others are, but if you want to pay for it, good for you that you can afford it " its on you " to pay for $$$$$$$ for a piece of polyp that the size of an eraser head and can't really see the details of the piece till you use a camera or microscope....
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Why go over there and harras the guy? maybe that is what it was sold to him as. First of all it is against RC rules to go and post in someones thread in the foresale threads and then to go ask someone else to break the rules.
Even though I agree on your id that it is a devils Armor, but there is no way to know absolutley 100 percent for sure unless we start doing dna testing... The corals can morph or apear totally different. How do we know that devils aromor is not a morph of armegeddons or vise versa or they are both a morph of something else way back down the line.
And why do people care so much, it is just a coral.... Why do we need coral police? I am guessing probably 25 percent of the corals out there are not what they are supposed to be, it sure would be interesting to know..
I have been in the reef hobby 18 years and have had palys and zoa's most of the time but I am really starting to get out of sps and more into zoas, rics and lps's again. But threads like this just turns me off. I am surprised a thread like this is not locked because it is asking people to go to another forum and break thier rules.. How would it be if they came here did the same.
Dave
Even though I agree on your id that it is a devils Armor, but there is no way to know absolutley 100 percent for sure unless we start doing dna testing... The corals can morph or apear totally different. How do we know that devils aromor is not a morph of armegeddons or vise versa or they are both a morph of something else way back down the line.
And why do people care so much, it is just a coral.... Why do we need coral police? I am guessing probably 25 percent of the corals out there are not what they are supposed to be, it sure would be interesting to know..
I have been in the reef hobby 18 years and have had palys and zoa's most of the time but I am really starting to get out of sps and more into zoas, rics and lps's again. But threads like this just turns me off. I am surprised a thread like this is not locked because it is asking people to go to another forum and break thier rules.. How would it be if they came here did the same.
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First welcome to CZ!
Second we don't condone going into another forum and causing trouble. I think the OP meant to go back him up about them being what he thought they were. I won't give my opinion on this cause it would take all day! LOL!
Anyway, we don't lockdown threads here as easy as other forums. We try and let people speak their mind as long as it doesnt cross certain boundries.
Let me say for the record that I do not condone going into other forums and causing trouble. I do not think this is what was meant by this though.
Anyway thanks for your comments and welcome.
