Did anyone see new LED tech at MACNA worth mentioning?

gus6464 · Sep 13, 2016

@saltyfilmfolks

Did the rep show you the new 360 prototype? It was the ones that were mounted on the rails in the booth. He said they took the AP700 reflector and put it in the 360 and took the rail system from the horti line.

NumberFish · Sep 13, 2016

Now that sounds interesting!

gus6464 · Sep 13, 2016

saltyfilmfolks said:
HAHAHAHAA

got a par meter? I need a favor

Yeah I have a seneye. I was looking for a deal on the apogee mc-500 sensor at the show and no one had any. You need some readings?

NumberFish · Sep 13, 2016

gus6464 said:
@saltyfilmfolks

Did the rep show you the new 360 prototype? It was the ones that were mounted on the rails in the booth. He said they took the AP700 reflector and put it in the 360 and took the rail system from the horti line.

Could you tell a difference from the standard 360? What did you think of the tech?

gus6464 · Sep 13, 2016

NumberFish said:
Could you tell a difference from the standard 360? What did you think of the tech?

They were mounted high and not under a tank so it was hard to tell when he fired it up. The spread did seem wider though in free air.

saltyfilmfolks · Sep 13, 2016

gus6464 said:
Yeah I have a seneye. I was looking for a deal on the apogee mc-500 sensor at the show and no one had any. You need some readings?

yes pleas and thank you.
I got an even 35000 lux off that tank. that should be about 400 to 500 par.
fwiw the seney sems to read sooo much higer. @35000 lux ive seen reliably 500 par from a chinese black box Off the apogee. from seney it has been a lot higher like 1000.???? same color settings.

so if you can get at full on all color chanells in a dark room dark background, 35000 lux, what par do you read.

saltyfilmfolks · Sep 13, 2016

gus6464 said:
@saltyfilmfolks

Did the rep show you the new 360 prototype? It was the ones that were mounted on the rails in the booth. He said they took the AP700 reflector and put it in the 360 and took the rail system from the horti line.

he did. I ran off for a talk though. kinda funny. I have never ever liked kessil. no par data, no spectral info, stupid spotlights. And this was the light I liked.

Velcro · Sep 13, 2016

What footprint is the e2000 meant for?

eg8r210 · Sep 13, 2016

gus6464 said:
The AP700 can do a mixed 48" easy hence the macna display. If you want an SPS only tank with same dimensions you just add a second AP700. Then you can grow SPS anywhere you put it in the tank.

Ignoring the AP700 for now, don't be fooled that because you see a display that the set up is ideal. 2 days of success doesn't equate to long term success. Back to the AP700, I was pretty excited about these lights when they first came out but after seeing a tank lit by one I was skeptical. I know this will sound crazy but I found the amount of shimmer to be distracting and the "brightness" of the tank lacking. It was pointed out to me at the time that an adequately lit LED tank will still appear to be dimmer than what I am used to seeing (MH lit tank) so I quit worrying about how bright the tank was.

gus6464 · Sep 13, 2016

eg8r210 said:
Ignoring the AP700 for now, don't be fooled that because you see a display that the set up is ideal. 2 days of success doesn't equate to long term success. Back to the AP700, I was pretty excited about these lights when they first came out but after seeing a tank lit by one I was skeptical. I know this will sound crazy but I found the amount of shimmer to be distracting and the "brightness" of the tank lacking. It was pointed out to me at the time that an adequately lit LED tank will still appear to be dimmer than what I am used to seeing (MH lit tank) so I quit worrying about how bright the tank was.

Brightness does not equal anything. I base what I saw on my own experience of building a big reflector based LED for my planted tanks. This was one of my tanks with Bridgelux Vero 18 arrays on ledil reflectors.

That was my first prototype. That light is hanging super high at 2ft above the tank. The PAR but most importantly spread was out of this world. Sadly I never redid the canopy on it and it looked like crap so my wife said it had to come down.

When I switched over to reef tanks I looked and looked for DIY pucks that took reflectors like the Ledil but no dice. I tried a couple of different things but in the end just gave up and went with T5. Now after finally seeing the AP700 in person I knew that it's the planted light I built years ago in reef form. I am still adding T5s because one thing I find sorely lacking in all modern LED fixtures is violet spectrum which I really like so adding 2 true actinics and will then just do a blue+ and coral+ for that extra t5 spectral oomph. Really no different than what people did with MH and T5VHO actinics for years.

Jongalt26 · Sep 14, 2016

saltyfilmfolks said:
Yea the most impressive was the ap700. Not a high power light but the optics scheme is pretty brilliant. It was over a 48in tank and was lit almost perfectly evenly. I metered it with an actual light meter.
For an average reefer. Not like me. I'd reccomend it in a heartbeat.

The other was geismann auroura no booth but coral view had on in the booth that was candy apple red. I would trade my car for that. I did offer.

Was there any word on the giesemann genesis at all? Its basically the Aurora with the vervve led pucks.

Im trying to decide on either the genesis or retrofit T-5's and LED (ap700 or G4's)

saltyfilmfolks · Sep 14, 2016

Jongalt26 said:
Was there any word on the giesemann genesis at all? Its basically the Aurora with the vervve led pucks.

Im trying to decide on either the genesis or retrofit T-5's and LED (ap700 or G4's)

oh geese, those things are so nice, I DONT WANT TO KNOW!!!!!!

Its the same reason I dont look at Porsche's or Angelina Jolie.