Dinos bleach testing

JerseyReefer · Feb 11, 2017

domination2580 said:
Some species of dinos aren't even touched by h202. Osteo specifically

Holy cow! I didn't know this. I've been doing H2O2 with no impact and I believe mine to be Ostreo. I put a drop of peroxide on some under a microscope and it stopped them all from moving (a couple moved extremely slowly) so I figured I'd be good to go. It had zero impact in 2 weeks of consistent dosing. Actually things got worse.

JerseyReefer · Feb 11, 2017

Just thought I'd post this. Interesting to see what's in Clorox. Not just the NaClO you're looking for. It also has buffers which can affect pH and softeners that can seed out Ca and Mg.

https://www.thecloroxcompany.com/?ii_product=clorox-regular-bleach1-concentrated-44600311715

Paullawr · Feb 11, 2017

There is a large difference putting Dino's in concentrated h2o2 vs a few ml per gallon.

I tried 1 litre per 50 litre tank volume and it did sweet FA.

The best approach I tried was to to smack buggery out of it with kalkwasser slurry hitting 10+pH whilst metro dosing and h202 dosing during blackout.

Did it work

No.

It dented the population massively but not stopped it.

Still if you want to get the upper hand it works.

Paullawr · Feb 11, 2017

Strangely my own personal experience was that these methods work for a bit but then they developed an immunity to it and rebounded. I've read many threads the same. Something starts working then bang back in full force.

Randy Holmes-Farley · Feb 11, 2017

JerseyReefer said:
Just thought I'd post this. Interesting to see what's in Clorox. Not just the NaClO you're looking for. It also has buffers which can affect pH and softeners that can seed out Ca and Mg.

https://www.thecloroxcompany.com/?ii_product=clorox-regular-bleach1-concentrated-44600311715

None of those ingredients are any particular concern, IMO, except, of course that it boosts alk and ph a lot, and is of course incredibly oxidizing.

I actually experimented with polyacrylic acid to allow extra high calcium and alk in seawater, and it works. It does not take calcium or magneisum out of solution.

Paullawr · Feb 11, 2017

No but the pH swing does have an impact if high enough.

Paullawr · Feb 11, 2017

Oh and Hi Randy, you sir are legendary.

JerseyReefer · Feb 11, 2017

Paullawr said:
No but the pH swing does have an impact if high enough.

Apparently certain dinos can only maintain their internal pH within certain tank pH ranges. Once outside that range their internal functions begin to shut down. pH of 10 would probably do it but zooxanthellae is also a form of dino which even evolved around the same time (like 300 million years ago). So I bet it would kill that too along with your corals.

I'm shooting for pH 8.6, alk 14 and high Mg to see if I can maintain a tolerable dino level with elbow grease until you smarter reefers figure this out ;-)

domination2580 · Feb 12, 2017

Ok guys, just got done doing a 25 min dip on all zoas....took tank down, bleached everything including tank so I'm just waiting for about 5 gallons of water to be made to finish filling the tank. The coral are in another qt currently but no light....just waiting for the last of the water to put in and it's up and running amd observation for dinos...

DJMaximus · Feb 12, 2017

domination2580 said:
Ok guys, just got done doing a 25 min dip on all zoas....took tank down, bleached everything including tank so I'm just waiting for about 5 gallons of water to be made to finish filling the tank. The coral are in another qt currently but no light....just waiting for the last of the water to put in and it's up and running amd observation for dinos...

What ratio of Bleach to water are you using?

domination2580 · Feb 12, 2017

DJMaximus said:
What ratio of Bleach to water are you using?

I'd love to give that info out but until conclusions and tests are done I'm not quite willing to say.

Paullawr · Feb 12, 2017

JerseyReefer said:
Apparently certain dinos can only maintain their internal pH within certain tank pH ranges. Once outside that range their internal functions begin to shut down. pH of 10 would probably do it but zooxanthellae is also a form of dino which even evolved around the same time (like 300 million years ago). So I bet it would kill that too along with your corals.

I'm shooting for pH 8.6, alk 14 and high Mg to see if I can maintain a tolerable dino level with elbow grease until you smarter reefers figure this out ;-)

This is indeed correct. A pH of 10+ certainly kills ostreopsis. Just not the cysts.
Still it's not something I'd recommend.

Not wanting to go off topic but metroplex did help a bit.

It's a shame though as metro is only around 86% effective (honestly I did read the somewhere and not made it up). Other drugs in the class may have a better success rate but not sure my doctor is going to hand them to me for a study.

Giardiasis is the human form of protozoan (I never what that) below is a list of medications used to treat. Tinadazole sounds interesting....

Metronidazole is an antibiotic that can cause nausea and leave a metallic taste in your mouth.
Tinidazole often treats giardiasis in a single dose and is as effective as metronidazole.
Nitazoxanide is a popular option for children because it’s available in liquid form.
Paromomycin has a lower chance of causing birth defects than other antibiotics, although pregnant women should wait until after delivery before taking any medication for giardiasis