Do New Born Babies Sleep in a King Size Bed

[David Jones]

Im writing this thread due to the amount of people frowning upon putting juvenile fish in a smaller tank. I have a 60 gallon tank and when reffered to stock the tank i get, you should only get 2 clowns and maybe some damsels Or wrasse's.. when you were a baby did your parents put you in a crib or a king size bed cause the way i see it if your buying a juvenile fish you should be able to keep them in a tank twice the size of the one they are in at the petstore.. especially if your ready to buy a new baby fish to replace the one that is no longer a juvenile and has out grown your tank in a few months

 

[David Jones]

I understand people are trying to do the right thing by the fish, but then why have fish in captivity at all shouldnt there place be in the ocean so they have so much more space, seaworld can keep a whale and dolphins in a swimming pool to educate children , but its frowned upon for me to put a baby blue hippo tang the size of a quarter in my 60 gallon tank to educate my children on marine life

 

[Waters]

A lot of that has to do with "renting" fish.....causes a lot of stress when it comes time to catch and remove (both on the fish being caught and the remaining fish). Also depends on the species of fish....some, even as juveniles require a lot more space than others due to their swimming habits. Using your analogy of putting a baby in a king size bed.....would you then return your baby as it became a toddler and purchase another baby to replace it ? I do see both sides though...I have been guilty of buying fish too big for my tank at one time or another as is probably the case for most new reefers.

 

[JackDE]

Your analogy does not work here. Would you make your kid LIVE in a crib for 2 years? I also don't understand buying a fish knowing that you plan to return it or trade it in down the road. Some people buy fish with a plan to upgrade their tank, that I get a little more. That being said I don't tell people how to raise their children so to each their own.

 

[David Jones]

A lot of that has to do with "renting" fish.....causes a lot of stress when it comes time to catch and remove (both on the fish being caught and the remaining fish). Also depends on the species of fish....some, even as juveniles require a lot more space than others due to their swimming habits. Using your analogy of putting a baby in a king size bed.....would you then return your baby as it became a toddler and purchase another baby to replace it ? I do see both sides though...I have been guilty of buying fish too big for my tank at one time or another as is probably the case for most new reefers.

I guess i dont plan on getting attached to the fish like i would a human life lol i look at it like if you can keep them in the tank for 3 to 6 months then swap them for a smaller fish a few months down the road, i guesss i see fish as a more expensible pet than a dog or cat

 

[Naiad]

I guess i dont plan on getting attached to the fish like i would a human life lol i look at it like if you can keep them in the tank for 3 to 6 months then swap them for a smaller fish a few months down the road, i guesss i see fish as a more expensible pet than a dog or cat

The issue with swapping fish every few months is that you are playing Russian Roulette as far as some very deadly diseases are concerned. This is not good for the fish you can keep long term. If you qt for 1 to 2 months to prevent this well then you have a fish in tank for 1 to 4 months. That seems like a lot of work for little return. It is a lot of work to catch fish out of a reef tank lol.

 

[helen ann]

I guess i dont plan on getting attached to the fish like i would a human life lol i look at it like if you can keep them in the tank for 3 to 6 months then swap them for a smaller fish a few months down the road, i guesss i see fish as a more expensible pet than a dog or cat

Hmmmmm, guess me crying my eyes out on the lil' fishes I lost a few months back must seem silly
My babies are named and are a part of my family; just like my other 6 tanks, my 3 bearded dragons, snake and dog.

 

[4FordFamily]

It appears that this question was rhetorical based on the way it is phrased and your responses. I agree with all of the responses. I admittedly do sell fish somewhat frequently (every couple years in some cases) but it's not typically my intent I just upgrade or move or decide I want to go a different direction. Not that it's ideal, it isn't. But my fish all have 6 foot tanks so it's a little different.

Best of luck to you.

 

[Doob]

Im writing this thread due to the amount of people frowning upon putting juvenile fish in a smaller tank. I have a 60 gallon tank and when reffered to stock the tank i get, you should only get 2 clowns and maybe some damsels Or wrasse's.. when you were a baby did your parents put you in a crib or a king size bed cause the way i see it if your buying a juvenile fish you should be able to keep them in a tank twice the size of the one they are in at the petstore.. especially if your ready to buy a new baby fish to replace the one that is no longer a juvenile and has out grown your tank in a few months

No, but they do live in a full size house, not a cardboard box.

 

[David Jones]

Hmmmmm, guess me crying my eyes out on the lil' fishes I lost a few months back must seem silly
My babies are named and are a part of my family; just like my other 6 tanks, my 3 bearded dragons, snake and dog.

I always thought if a fish died i would just go out and replace it like a gold fish, i cant tell you how many fish my parents replaced while i was at school because they died, i guess i dont get the emotional connection to fish, to me there more like living decorations that i have to feed, i cant wrap my head around considering them family like my dog

 

[David Jones]

No, but they do live in a full size house, not a cardboard box.

Some kids arent that fortunate to live in a big house some live in 1-2 bedroom apartments, In manahattan this is very common, it is not un commen to put up to 3 children on 1 bedroom, yes its not ideal but reality is that some parents cant afford the big house does that mean they shouldnt have children, no, it just means they have to work with what they have and try to make the kids as happy as possible, i look at it like ..keep the fish in the tank for 3-6 months then ship him off to boarding school

 

[Lionfish Lair]

keep the fish in the tank for 3-6 months then ship him off to boarding school

LOL!

 

[David Jones]

Your analogy does not work here. Would you make your kid LIVE in a crib for 2 years? I also don't understand buying a fish knowing that you plan to return it or trade it in down the road. Some people buy fish with a plan to upgrade their tank, that I get a little more. That being said I don't tell people how to raise their children so to each their own.

And not to be a smart butt lol but infants do sleep in their crib for the first 2 years, just saying lol

 

[tj w]

Like others have said, that analogy isn't very practical in the sense of fish keeping. If u can disregard a fishes life like that then maybe u need to take a look. Not trying to come off like a blank but a lot of us put a lot of time and effort into giving these guys the best home possible. We as reefers have enough people against our hobby. This just gives them more ammunition. Just my 2 cents!

 

[tankstudy]

keep the fish in the tank for 3-6 months then ship him off to boarding school

I use to grow large specimens to trade for frags in a 65 gallon. I excelled at growing fish and others excelled at growing corals. Some people really struggle to grow fish even when they have tanks @ 180+ gallons.

 

[Naiad]

Lol fish boarding school. Sign my purple tang up! I'll deal with him only on holidays and special occasions. Jerk face fish.

 

[4FordFamily]

Some kids arent that fortunate to live in a big house some live in 1-2 bedroom apartments, In manahattan this is very common, it is not un commen to put up to 3 children on 1 bedroom, yes its not ideal but reality is that some parents cant afford the big house does that mean they shouldnt have children, no, it just means they have to work with what they have and try to make the kids as happy as possible, i look at it like ..keep the fish in the tank for 3-6 months then ship him off to boarding school

I would argue, perhaps this will offend some, but in many of these cases these people cannot afford to have three children in general and it may be best for their family and society if they waited to have children. I know in some areas a studio apartment is something like 3000/mo + so small quarters don't necessarily equate to poverty but I would still argue that it's best for the family to have ample space.

Those are children and that is different than putting fish purposefully in smaller quarters temporarily. I don't see my fish as family necessarily but I absolutely do feel an obligation to provide the best environment and husbandry for these animals that if we are being honest with ourselves really belong in the wild unmolested by humans. The least we can do is try our best to make their stays away from the wild as optimal as possible given our constraints.

Not taking a side just illustrating a point.

 

[Lionfish Lair]

Rehoming them is not neglect or abuse, it's simply rehoming them.

I use grow out tank all the time.

 

[d2mini]

I see no issue in what the OP suggests.
Do what you want.
The mere fact that you are keeping any fish in glass box in your home, compared to in the OCEAN, is just ridiculous.

 

[JackDE]

Decided to walk away from this one. Have a great day all!