Do you have an ich-less aquarium?

[35ppt]

I agree TTM is much less harmful than copper but it is unfortunately is not the first recommendation most of the time.

I'm not "bud", I'm a girl.

I would argue TTM is not harmful at all..

Regardless of your gender, my point stands.

 

[User]

I agree TTM is much less harmful than copper but it is unfortunately is not the first recommendation most of the time.

I'm not "bud", I'm a girl.

So what if its not the 'first recommendation'? You should be being proactive and researching and coming to your own conclusions regarding strategy- not just relying on what 'everyone' else recommends and going off what a random lfs employee or Facebook guy says.

I mean- if you go to the fish disease section right now- theres a Big post about hybrid TtM. It's literally one of the first recommendations

 

[AcroNem]

Its unfair because I would NEVER poison my dog for 30 days for a few ticks, especially without even confirming the ticks are there in the first place. And I'm pretty sure most dog owners would agree. People that don't QT are not neccessarily lazy, some of us believe that destroying a fish's immune system by poisoning them without even confirming they are sick is the unethical thing to do.

I think a better comparison is not medicating for heartworm, or not getting your dog properly medicated or vaccinated as a puppy.

 

[LovesDogs_CatsRokay]

So what if its not the 'first recommendation'? You should be being proactive and researching and coming to your own conclusions regarding strategy- not just relying on what 'everyone' else recommends and going off what a random lfs employee or Facebook guy says.

I mean- if you go to the fish disease section right now- theres a Big post about hybrid TtM. It's literally one of the first recommendations

Debating QT or not to QT was never my intention here. I believe people should do what feels right to them. There are many reasons that people don't QT and its not because they are lazy and not because they are heartless and would let ticks suck the blood from their dogs without doing anything was my only point.

 

[User]

I think a better comparison is not medicating for heartworm, or not getting your dog properly medicated or vaccinated as a puppy.

You can't see heartworm the same way you can see ich spots or ticks, which is why I said ticks.

But yeah- they both stand. Why medicate and prophylactically treat dogs and cats, but just throw fish in a tank and say 'it's all natural so it's immunity will keep it alive' .

Besides- I QT not just for ich, but velvet, uronema, intestinal worms, gill flukes. Even IF cryptocaryans was the only thing to worry about, id still QT, since it's still a disease and intentionally letting them hang out in an infected environment is wrong.

I do it for the same reasons I vaccinate my dog and feed my kids enriched milk

 

[AcroNem]

You can't see heartworm the same way you can see ich spots or ticks, which is why I said ticks.

But yeah- they both stand. Why medicate and prophylactically treat dogs and cats, but just throw fish in a tank and say 'it's all natural so it's immunity will keep it alive' .

Besides- I QT not just for ich, but velvet, uronema, intestinal worms, gill flukes. Even IF cryptocaryans was the only thing to worry about, id still QT, since it's still a disease and intentionally letting them hang out in an infected environment is wrong.

I do it for the same reasons I vaccinate my dog and feed my kids enriched milk

Exactly. I just wanted to throw out something worse than a tick. Even then, we don't see internal issues as much in animals (with exceptions) but still medicate for them. I agree with you.

 

[Jeff Jarry reef]

I have never seen any signs of it. I'm sure it's possible for any tank.

 

[sarcophytonIndy]

I had ich in my display tank about a year ago. No way I could catch out all of the fish, so I rode it out. Only lost one fish, a powder blue tang. Other five tangs, clowns, angel, wrasse, etc. survived. Now I don't see any signs of ich anymore, but I understand it is always going to be present.

 

[RMS18]

I did until I added cheato from a local reefer. Then bamm ich about 3-4 weeks later. Pulled all fish currently in qt. 72 more days left. Ramping copper up to therapeutic levels. I will never ever add anything without it sitting in a separate tank for the appropriate qt time, cheato, snails, crabs etc. My fish have all been through copper part of my qt process as a preventative. Been a rough 1.2 years with this system, Dino's twice, ich.

 

[User]

I did until I added cheato from a local reefer. Then bamm ich about 3-4 weeks later. Pulled all fish currently in qt. 72 more days left. Ramping copper up to therapeutic levels. I will never ever add anything without it sitting in a separate tank for the appropriate qt time, cheato, snails, crabs etc. Been a rough 1.2 years with this system, Dino's twice, ich.

Yeah, that sucks

A lot of people don't realise that copepods, being hard shelled invertebrates, can harbor ich cysts, as can snails that might be present in the chaeto

 

[AcroNem]

I did until I added cheato from a local reefer. Then bamm ich about 3-4 weeks later. Pulled all fish currently in qt. 72 more days left. Ramping copper up to therapeutic levels. I will never ever add anything without it sitting in a separate tank for the appropriate qt time, cheato, snails, crabs etc. Been a rough 1.2 years with this system, Dino's twice, ich.

That's rough, I'm sorry. I once brought Crypto home from work (a public aquarium) 30 miles away. I must not have changed clothes or washed hands and arms properly before touching my DT. Stupid mistake. It's good you're now adding strict protocols though, it's worth it for sure.

 

[RMS18]

Yeah, that sucks

A lot of people don't realise that copepods, being hard shelled invertebrates, can harbor ich cysts, as can snails that might be present in the chaeto

Yea the cheato had lots of pods. I checked two weeks ago and he is still giving it away on njreefers.

 

[Paul B]

Had a hunch you might make an entrance Paul.

I made an entrance and got right out. We know what can happen in these threads.

 

[atoll]

I made an entrance and got right out. We know what can happen in these threads.

We do indeed esp as most cant figure out why are tanks aren't death cells for any fish.

 

[Mkeller088]

Nope, definitely have ich in the tank, and I’m okay with that.

I would venture to say 90 percent (at least) have Ich in the tank, they just don’t know it. It’s definatly manageable, and not too hard to use good practice to keep it at bay.

 

[Mkeller088]

Do you truly have an ich-less system?

I would venture to say 90 percent (at least) have Ich in the tank, they just don’t know it. It’s definatly manageable, and not too hard to use good practice to keep it at bay.

 

[Peng1606]

Have an ich-less system. 750 gallons would require a heck of a lot of meds to treat.. not to mention a complete nightmare to try to catch fish in my 10x3x3 feet tank.
So separate room (luckily my significant other allowed me to take over one of the guest rooms) for quarantine...have six 25 gallon tubs and four 10 gallon aquariums that I rotate to quarantine anything wet.
Have 9 Tangs among other fish (2 hippos, 5 yellow, 1 purple and 1 kole) with no sign of ich.

 

[Rich Klein]

No. I have ich my system. Never really worry about it as it only shows up when the fish are stressed and even then it will only be a few spots for a day or two then its gone.

+1 Never shows up unless I add a new fish, and then only the new fish will get a spot for maybe 1-day. Then gonzo.

 

[TvanB1]

Maybe?
Slapped a sizable UV sterilizer on my system and dialed the flow down to a approx ~500-600gph and haven’t noticed any signs of disease since. Im sure it's still there but nowhere near enough to cause the fish any harm.

 

[TvanB1]

TTM is drug free and takes 12 days.

The problem is that people don't want to invest the time, since it's 'inconvenient'

If you do it upfront as you buy fish, you don't even have to do a fallow period. Patience and attention save a ton of heartache in this hobby

Also only treats ich...