Ecotech radion g5 knock off found!

[WVNed]

I wonder who makes this stuff up and people believe it.

Such utter horse rectal discharge.

I guess that's why emus sell insurance now.

 

[Acros]

Are any of these examples of knockoffs/theft? If so which is the original? I thought this would be a fun exercise for everyone.

AI Nero

Reef breeders

Jebao SLW

 

[Saltydog69]

dang, now i have to spend 500 just to see what its about. i have a gen 5 box tho so i can just resell it for 700 haha. jk, some of yall need to lighten up a bit man. life is short.

 

[Bpb]

Are any of these examples of knockoffs/theft? If so which is the original? I thought this would be a fun exercise for everyone.

AI Nero

Reef breeders

Jebao SLW

Wasn’t the reef breeders first, jebao second, and AI actually last on that example. I DO rememeber seeing the reef breeders one for sale before the AI ones hit the market.

 

[telegraham]

@telegraham know anything about these?

I don't, but I want to.

 

[Chrisv.]

PLENTY of lights available that Betram doesn't own.

For now!

 

[Acros]

Wasn’t the reef breeders first, jebao second, and AI actually last on that example. I DO rememeber seeing the reef breeders one for sale before the AI ones hit the market.

To be honest, I really do not know which one came out first. I was trying to point out how similar they all are, and it’s only Jabeo that often gets called out.

 

[moz71]

This conversation made me giggle. Sounds like my thanksgiving dinner when my family gets together! We just like to argue. Lol.

 

[Harold999]

I have a Kessil knockoff of that brand (they call themselves A+), the app/programming is horrible unless you understand Chinese.
On the pictures the app looks like it is English, but it works with a lot of popup messages and all these are Chinese.
The seller promised better English app-updates but never happened.
The light is in a drawer somewhere, can't use it because of the app.

Safe yourself a lot of trouble/money and go for the real deal.

 

[Greg Gdowski]

This conversation made me giggle. Sounds like my thanksgiving dinner when my family gets together! We just like to argue. Lol.

I totally agree I felt the same way. There is no real argument here. If a company thinks they have something novel, they should protect their intellectual property. If they don't, it is their own fault. If it is on the market and it wasn't protected -- then everybody under the sun has the right to manufacture something that is functionally "similar". The only caveat to this is what lawyers refer to as "Trade Dress". The "other" product can fill the same niche -- but it can't confuse the consumer to the point at which they thought it came from the original company. So in many cases, the knock off lights are just fine. But, I agree the one that looks like an Ecotech -- very well may have a "trade dress" issue. In reality, all they have to do is change the labeling to be clear. That is why every milk jug looks the same but has different labeling.

 

[rtparty]

I totally agree I felt the same way. There is no real argument here. If a company thinks they have something novel, they should protect their intellectual property. If they don't, it is their own fault. If it is on the market and it wasn't protected -- then everybody under the sun has the right to manufacture something that is functionally "similar". The only caveat to this is what lawyers refer to as "Trade Dress". The "other" product can fill the same niche -- but it can't confuse the consumer to the point at which they thought it came from the original company. So in many cases, the knock off lights are just fine. But, I agree the one that looks like an Ecotech -- very well may have a "trade dress" issue. In reality, all they have to do is change the labeling to be clear. That is why every milk jug looks the same but has different labeling.

Except China doesn't honor or enforce patents that are here in the US. Who is going to go after the company making this knock off?

China has stolen designs for decades in this hobby. One company's entire existence is based upon stealing other's designs. No one stopped them early on and now they are constantly promoted.

 

[Acros]

Except China doesn't honor or enforce patents that are here in the US. Who is going to go after the company making this knock off?

China has stolen designs for decades in this hobby. One company's entire existence is based upon stealing other's designs. No one stopped them early on and now they are constantly promoted.

You wouldn’t believe how stupid some of our business managers and lawyers are. I worked with a company that most of us know (vacation travel) and apparently some of their product designs assets are owned by a Chinese company. Why? Because the contract was so poorly written and gave away all rights to the company who made a visualization for marketing. Not even making them work for it at that point.

 

[moz71]

Except China doesn't honor or enforce patents that are here in the US. Who is going to go after the company making this knock off?

China has stolen designs for decades in this hobby. One company's entire existence is based upon stealing other's designs. No one stopped them early on and now they are constantly promoted.

I will jump in for kicks, knock off doesn’t mean patent infringement! Just looking the same doesn’t mean anything. Second poster even said there is clear differences in volts and number of channels. We don’t even know performance nor are they insinuating it is a radion. So all this talk is a non issue.

 

[rtparty]

I will jump in for kicks, knock off doesn’t mean patent infringement! Just looking the same doesn’t mean anything. Second poster even said there is clear differences in volts and number of channels. We don’t even know performance nor are they insinuating it is a radion. So all this talk is a non issue.

When you take someone else's intellectual design and flat out copy it, that's unethical and immoral in every way. I don't care about the legality. Lots of things are legal but unethical.

Company: I mean we made it look exactly like a duck, it sits like a duck, it even walks like a duck but the quack is 5% quieter and in a different language...

Consumer: Oh! That's okay then!

 

[mdb_talon]

When you take someone else's intellectual design and flat out copy it, that's unethical and immoral in every way. I don't care about the legality. Lots of things are legal but unethical.

Company: I mean we made it look exactly like a duck, it sits like a duck, it even walks like a duck but the quack is 5% quieter and in a different language...

Consumer: Oh! That's okay then!

This really has me laughing. If you follow this logic with everything you buy it must be tough. Curious which truck you think it is ethically and morally ok for me to buy? I mean they all are pretty much the same and any new advance is copied as soon as legally viable so i just dont know which i can buy and not go to hell?

 

[ColoredRock]

when someone "knocks off" an MP 60, 40, 10... then there might be something to talk about.

 

[Acros]

when someone "knocks off" an MP 60, 40, 10... then there might be something to talk about.

I will buy one just to see how well it works. If Jabeo makes one, I wouldn’t even think twice.

 

[ColoredRock]

I will buy one just to see how well it works. If Jabeo makes one, I wouldn’t even think twice.

My point being was that there is nothing "Novel or new" about the examples given in this post... the MP series is..

the patent does expire soon if I remember correctly.

Back to your point.. I would give it a shot as well.

 

[rtparty]

My point being was that there is nothing "Novel or new" about the examples given in this post... the MP series is..

the patent does expire soon if I remember correctly.

Back to your point.. I would give it a shot as well.

I believe it "ends" in 2026 but Ecotech will make enough of a change to extend it another 7 years or whatever it is. They've done it before and will again.

If knock off artists could have copied it for less, they would have done so years ago.

 

[Greg Gdowski]

Oh my gosh... there are many examples of people making knock offs in the US. Patents only give the company the right to protect itself. If they choose to not go after whomever violates their patents --- that is their own prerogative. I suspect that what you are seeing in this case is that the Ecotechs were at least partially made overseas. When they were acquired, they were probably told they were going to have to rebrand under the new umbrella. I suspect this is a sign that the Ecotechs, as we know them, are a thing of the past.