Eheim compact+ 5000 as a return pump?

[nanomania]

Does hydor sell a return pump? Also, do you have Quietone or Mag available there? I think if you can let us know what brands are available there we can help you more.

Hydor, eheim, boyu and ecotech. Ecotech is way beyond my budget. Can order jebao, but dont wana risk a chineese brand for return pump.

 

[Anirban]

Hydor, eheim, boyu and ecotech. Ecotech is way beyond my budget. Can order jebao, but dont wana risk a chineese brand for return pump.

A lot of people use jebao and you can find user reviews in this forum just search for it.

 

[nanomania]

The Eheim Compact pumps are actually producted for them by an Italian company named Eden. They are good pumps but should not be confused with the German made Eheim Hobby pumps.

Not a fan of the quiet-one since they stopped having Sicce build their pumps for them. Reliability has suffered since their split.

I also would not recommend the Mag because of noise and reliability. I know a lot of people complain of their noise and plan to get a new pump when they break. Problem is they never break!

When it comes to AC return pumps I say Sicce for less than 1000 gph and Fluval Sea SP for over 1000 gph.

Can try fluval hagen.. i guess its available in my country.

 

[mcarroll]

Not a fan of the quiet-one since they stopped having Sicce build their pumps for them. Reliability has suffered since their split.

I also would not recommend the Mag because of noise and reliability. I know a lot of people complain of their noise and plan to get a new pump when they break. Problem is they never break!

I've owned an Eheim Hobby Pump, multiple QuietOne's and a Mag. All were used as skimmer pumps at one time or another, and the QO's and Mag were used as return pumps when they weren't on skimmer duty.

Most people's experience I've read of has the Eheim as the quietest, with the QuietOne close in terms of quiet. Mag's do have an occasional rep for vibrations, but that seems to be related to specific installations....predominantly people claim them to be quiet as well.

My experience with my four pumps that I acquired and used over about 8 years has been very similar to what I've read...the QuietOne 4000 was the latest...I think around 2 years ago.

I worked at a saltwater store for a few years and used and sold many Mag pumps (among others) while there. I never had a single issue from use or from a customer with them.

As far as changes....I know Lifegard sold out to Aquatic Ecosystems, but I hadn't heard about the Sicce deal. (Not that it would be hard to believe.) When was that supposed to have stopped happening? Would AquaticEco have needed Lifegard without their traditional QuietOne line (which is now smaller, BTW....no top-end models) since they already have at least one line of Chinese pumps on offer? I know it doesn't have to make sense to happen, but...that wouldn't make sense!

When it comes to AC return pumps I say Sicce for less than 1000 gph and Fluval Sea SP for over 1000 gph.

Would be interesting to see them in action more, but I have never heard anything bad about a Sicce. I've never heard of anyone using Fluval pumps but I do tend to like their equipment.....Hagen seems to have distribution issues IMO. Again, speaking of the USA here....sorry.

Back to the topic!

Well im from india, so have limitations to brands. Ecotech is also available, but its way beyond my budget.

From your list, Eheim or Fluval.

You might find a Tunze Silence pump available too as they do have a distributor in New Delhi...Aquazona Exports....check tunze.com...they list contact info.

 

[nanomania]

I've owned an Eheim Hobby Pump, multiple QuietOne's and a Mag. All were used as skimmer pumps at one time or another, and the QO's and Mag were used as return pumps when they weren't on skimmer duty.

Most people's experience I've read of has the Eheim as the quietest, with the QuietOne close in terms of quiet. Mag's do have an occasional rep for vibrations, but that seems to be related to specific installations....predominantly people claim them to be quiet as well.

My experience with my four pumps that I acquired and used over about 8 years has been very similar to what I've read...the QuietOne 4000 was the latest...I think around 2 years ago.

I worked at a saltwater store for a few years and used and sold many Mag pumps (among others) while there. I never had a single issue from use or from a customer with them.

As far as changes....I know Lifegard sold out to Aquatic Ecosystems, but I hadn't heard about the Sicce deal. (Not that it would be hard to believe.) When was that supposed to have stopped happening? Would AquaticEco have needed Lifegard without their traditional QuietOne line (which is now smaller, BTW....no top-end models) since they already have at least one line of Chinese pumps on offer? I know it doesn't have to make sense to happen, but...that wouldn't make sense!



Would be interesting to see them in action more, but I have never heard anything bad about a Sicce. I've never heard of anyone using Fluval pumps but I do tend to like their equipment.....Hagen seems to have distribution issues IMO. Again, speaking of the USA here....sorry.

Back to the topic!



From your list, Eheim or Fluval.

You might find a Tunze Silence pump available too as they do have a distributor in New Delhi...Aquazona Exports....check tunze.com...they list contact info.

Yes but service is pathetic. Every1 complains. Still will try. Thanks for the info. It had slipped out of my mind.

 

[mcarroll]

If the other two options seem good and are easier to come by, I would go ahead with one of them. Just check on parts availability. It's nice to be able to replace an impeller when it goes bad vs needing to replace the whole pump.

 

[gcarroll]

I've owned an Eheim Hobby Pump, multiple QuietOne's and a Mag. All were used as skimmer pumps at one time or another, and the QO's and Mag were used as return pumps when they weren't on skimmer duty.

Most people's experience I've read of has the Eheim as the quietest, with the QuietOne close in terms of quiet. Mag's do have an occasional rep for vibrations, but that seems to be related to specific installations....predominantly people claim them to be quiet as well.

My experience with my four pumps that I acquired and used over about 8 years has been very similar to what I've read...the QuietOne 4000 was the latest...I think around 2 years ago.

I worked at a saltwater store for a few years and used and sold many Mag pumps (among others) while there. I never had a single issue from use or from a customer with them.

As far as changes....I know Lifegard sold out to Aquatic Ecosystems, but I hadn't heard about the Sicce deal. (Not that it would be hard to believe.) When was that supposed to have stopped happening? Would AquaticEco have needed Lifegard without their traditional QuietOne line (which is now smaller, BTW....no top-end models) since they already have at least one line of Chinese pumps on offer? I know it doesn't have to make sense to happen, but...that wouldn't make sense!

The original Quiet One's were built by Sicce. This was long before Sicce started offering their own branded pumps. My understanding is that in an effort reduce price and be more profitable, they had the pump copied and are now building it in Asia. Initially there were reliability issues. Many of my friends moved away from them so I cannot verify that they are more reliable now. Ever noticed how a Tunze silence look like a Sicce silence? Well it sure isn't because one copied the other. It is just a well known thing in the industry that good pumps come from Italy (ie: Sicce, Askoll, Eden). Germany is also a good source but much more expensive (Eheim, Tunze, Messner). German companies regularly go to Italian companies when they want to make a reasonably priced pump. Tunze works with Sicce, Hagen/Fluval has their pumps made by Askoll, Eheim uses Eden for their Compact series, and Royal exclusive uses Askoll for AC pumps. Marineland Utility Pumps are also made by Eden.

Eheims are quiet but I give the nod to the Hobby pump over the Compact series.

Would be interesting to see them in action more, but I have never heard anything bad about a Sicce. I've never heard of anyone using Fluval pumps but I do tend to like their equipment.....Hagen seems to have distribution issues IMO. Again, speaking of the USA here....sorry.

Back to the topic!

From your list, Eheim or Fluval.

You might find a Tunze Silence pump available too as they do have a distributor in New Delhi...Aquazona Exports....check tunze.com...they list contact info.

Tunze Silence pumps are a great choice! I ran them on my last tank.

 

[mcarroll]

I don't know much but here's what I know:

• My QuietOne 4000 (about 5 years old now) says Made in Italy on the box.
• I don't have the box for the 2200 and it's unmarked as far as country of origin.
• For what it's worth, the box of the 4000 and pumps look the same as what they are still marketing on their website as their new "pro series".
• The box and pump do look different from their "classic series" which they did market simultaneously...at least for a little while.
• Deepwater (Deep Blue?) Aquatics markets a chinese look-a-like (same plastic shell, at least) that I've seen before....wonder if Pentair went back to Italy after the initial experience and now the chinese pumps are just being marketed from china?

Many of those pumps you mentioned look similar so I had suspected a common link. The Tunze case is well-documented thanks to Roger. I love doing business with Tunze.

It is just a well known thing in the industry that good pumps come from

Definitely had no clue that whole nexus of pump makers was there!

I guess sort of like how good blades (whether saw blades or other) come from the Swiss...even the Germans source blades there.

 

[gcarroll]

Sorry meant to say Italy.

Pentair did not go back to Sicce. I would bet you have one of the last ones they made for pentair.

Deepwater Aquatics does market a pump that looks similar to another on the market! Any idea which one?

 

[mcarroll]

I know what you mean...aren't there three "high end" DC clones like that now?

But that's not actually the company I meant - but I figured out which one! Try Deep Blue Professional!
http://www.deepblueprofessional.com/water-pumps.html



Same housing, same impeller style....maybe not an identical motor block on the inside tho. Quality ratings on Amzon for these knock-offs seem more like what you were describing.

Wondering now if Pentair/Lifegard QC'd these pumps out of their as-yet-undocumented-but-believeable chinese production line to "restore greatness"? Not hard to imagine. Similarly, Apple is known to cherry pick parts from their chinese suppliers via QC. This naturally leaves a higher dud-rate, etc, for their competitors that make use of the same parts.

 

[mcarroll]

Called Lifegard (who is apparently no longer part of Pentair or PentairAES) and they confirmed 2-3 years ago they started being made in China. There. More than anyone ever wanted to know about these pumps...that aren't even for sale in the OP's country.

 

[nanomania]

Currently im using compact 1000 for my 42g. Do9ng a great job. So was thinking of compact 5000. But since it wont work, im looking for more options. Ecotecs are way overpriced i feel, atleast here in india. If i dont find any other brand pumps, my final option will be jebao.

 

[gcarroll]

Who said the 5000 won't work?

 

[nanomania]

Who said the 5000 won't work?

Compact+ 5000 for a 150 to 200g (deciding on 150 to 200g), n distance from sump bottom to tank height is approx 51 to 53"

 

[nanomania]

How are ATMAN pumps?

 

[mcarroll]

The 5000+ clocks in at around 630 GPH for your height...right in the middle of the range you'd want (400-800GPH).

Should be no ball valve needed.

 

[nanomania]

The 5000+ clocks in at around 630 GPH for your height...right in the middle of the range you'd want (400-800GPH).

Should be no ball valve needed.

Means its ok to use it?

 

[mcarroll]

Means its ok to use it?

Right!

 

[nanomania]

Hey guys, i jus found out, we have hagen pumps also available. The new fx series. I have a few more questions though.

The tank will be 54x24x24
Sump 54 x 20 x16

The total tank water volume (not according to the size)will be 645 to 650 liters (sump and dt)

What would be the best? Iv seen many running at 7times and some at 3times and 5times. Im still confused what would be best flow turnover.

First chamber will be skimmer, socks and media reactors, second cheato only, 3rd display refugium and 4th return.

Also will 2x2" overflow pipes be enough? With 1 extra 2" pipe for sos.

 

[nanomania]

As for eheim 5000, i bought an eheim 2000 for my reactors, and it shows
H/max 2.30 meters (82.8 inches). might be a silly calculation but for 5000 at approx 53" height ill still get a flow of approx 3500lph. Thts correct?