Emergency prime question

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

Got a kole tang on saturday and put in quarantine. Used prime ti start in case of ammonia spike. Fush has hidden since put in. Forced him out tonight and has ich all over. Need to start copper. Raising temp and need to remove carbon filter. Is the prime i put in on saturday a problem?

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

It shouldnt be by now, but you can do a water change since that never hurts. I would also advise against raising the temp in the QT. Warm water holds less oxygen than cooler water does and it's just one more thing the fish has to adjust to during this difficult time.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

I have a bubbler going and instructions say raise temp. Will it still work ok if i leave at 78?

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

KatieFloy said:
I have a bubbler going and instructions say raise temp. Will it still work ok if i leave at 78?

Of course! Raising the temp is generally useful in freshwater. In saltwater it's not needed.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

Awesome thanks

Brew12 · Sep 19, 2016

KatieFloy said:
Forced him out tonight and has ich all over.

@melypr1985 Isn't the speed that this occurred more typical of velvet than ich?

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

Brew12 said:
@melypr1985 Isn't the speed that this occurred more typical of velvet than ich?

It's possible, but not easy to decide without more info and at least one picture. Copper will treat both, however, so the OP is covered either way

Brew12 · Sep 19, 2016

melypr1985 said:
It's possible, but not easy to decide without more info and at least one picture. Copper will treat both, however, so the OP is covered either way

Agreed, but wouldn't a medicated FW dip be appropriate considering the possibility? Only asking because I really do want to learn in case I have similar problems.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

Yeah i tried to get pictures but he is uncooperative i had to force him out of his cave and he went right back in. I didn't want to stress him out too bad. Just noticed the all over salt like specs and figured ich.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

I don't think i have medication for freshwater dip. What would i need for that.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

For a medicated dip i mean. Obviously i have freshwater

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

Brew12 said:
Agreed, but wouldn't a medicated FW dip be appropriate considering the possibility? Only asking because I really do want to learn in case I have similar problems.

It could help, but I like to be cautious with things like formalin. There are other things to use for this of course, but that's the one that is most readily available to me so it's the first thing that comes to mind.

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

KatieFloy said:
For a medicated dip i mean. Obviously i have freshwater

5 minute freshwater dip
Immediately afterwards, perform a chemical bath (in saltwater matching SG/temp the fish came from). You have two options:

Acriflavine (preferred) - Do the bath for 75-90 minutes, but remove the fish immediately at the first sign of distress. Aerate heavily both before & during the bath, and temperature control the water. The following products contain acriflavine: Acriflavine-MS andRuby Reef Rally. DO NOT mix acriflavine with any other chemicals.
Formalin - Do the bath for 30-60 minutes max, but remove the fish immediately at the first sign of distress. Aerate heavily both before & during the bath, and temperature control the water. The following products contain formalin: Formalin-MS, Quick Cure,Aquarium Solutions Ich-X, Kordon Rid-Ich Plus. Use protection (rubber gloves, face mask, eye protection, etc.) whenever handling formalin as it is a known carcinogen! However, you can add Methylene Blue to the formalin bath (1 capful per 2-3 gallons of bath water.)

Brew12 · Sep 19, 2016

KatieFloy said:
I don't think i have medication for freshwater dip. What would i need for that.

KatieFloy said:
For a medicated dip i mean. Obviously i have freshwater

My understanding is that even just a FW dip would help bring temporary relief to the fish. Maybe if you do that you can get a picture that would help one of the experts identify if it is ich or velvet.

melypr1985 · Sep 19, 2016

Brew12 said:
My understanding is that even just a FW dip would help bring temporary relief to the fish. Maybe if you do that you can get a picture that would help one of the experts identify if it is ich or velvet.

Also true.

KatieFloy · Sep 19, 2016

Do i have to match anything btw fresh and salt? How long?

Humblefish · Sep 19, 2016

Brew12 said:
My understanding is that even just a FW dip would help bring temporary relief to the fish. Maybe if you do that you can get a picture that would help one of the experts identify if it is ich or velvet.

FWIW; a FW dip is more useful at removing "surface" parasites & worms such as velvet, brook and turbellarians. Deeply embedded parasites, like ich trophonts, are mostly protected from the FW due to being under the epithelium (outer skin layer).