Female Anthias Flesh Would

[Amoo]

Hello good doctor and others.

I made a post yesterday about how great my tank was going and of coarse over the weekend my wife decided we should name all the fish.

So I wake up this morning and my Female Anthias has a flesh would on her left side. Looks like she may have took a corner too sharp possibly being chased into the rockwork by my devil-spawn PBT.

Want to pull her and move her to a sterile environment, was hoping to go with something topical. @Humblefish you know my situation with meds, got anything specific in those concoctions of yours, looking for a Neosporin for fish

 

[Ubergroover]

Do you have more than one anthias? In my experience they can be aggressive with their own kind.

 

[Amoo]

 

[Amoo]

Do you have more than one anthias? In my experience they can be aggressive with their own kind.

I have one male and one female, he doesn't pay her much attention. PBT is the chaser, Male would rather hang out with the wrasse.

 

[Ubergroover]

I have one male and one female, he doesn't pay her much attention. PBT is the chaser, Male would rather hang out with the wrasse.

I had three females. Now I have two...Nuff said there. Almost looks like she got hit on the side, maybe the tang backing up and spiking her? Hope it works out.

 

[Humblefish]

Want to pull her and move her to a sterile environment, was hoping to go with something topical. @Humblefish you know my situation with meds, got anything specific in those concoctions of yours, looking for a Neosporin for fish

No reason why you couldn't apply Neosporin to a fish wound. It's similar to this: http://www.hikariusa.com/solutions/healthaid/bio-bandage/

If you wanted a bath treatment, MB is great for healing wounds: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

Acriflavine is a great antiseptic for warding off an infection: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/acriflavine.282887/

 

[Amoo]

No reason why you couldn't apply Neosporin to a fish wound. It's similar to this: http://www.hikariusa.com/solutions/healthaid/bio-bandage/

If you wanted a bath treatment, MB is great for healing wounds: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

Acriflavine is a great antiseptic for warding off an infection: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/acriflavine.282887/

Thanks Humble, I went for the old peroxide q-tip and bacitracin application for tonight and will arm myself with some Acriflavine tomorrow in case a prolonged bath is needed. I'll monitor daily and continue with peroxide and triple unless things start looking infected.

 

[Humblefish]

Thanks Humble, I went for the old peroxide q-tip and bacitracin application for tonight and will arm myself with some Acriflavine tomorrow in case a prolonged bath is needed. I'll monitor daily and continue with peroxide and triple unless things start looking infected.

Have you ever used peroxide in a bath treatment? I'd like to experiment with that as an alternative to using acriflavine. I figure why not, both are antiseptics...

 

[Amoo]

I've not used the bath because I'm unsure of a starting safe concentration or time. I've always used it via q-tip though to clean out wounds and never had any issues. I typically use q-tip followed by NFZ ointment (nitro) but apparently didn't have any on hand so had to swap it up with bacitracin tonight. Didn't know if you had tried something different yet effectively.

My biggest fear would be lack of oxygen using Peroxide it in a bath format. I'm sure we could use it similar to a quick dip, but I'm unsure about a bath.

I know there's been some testing with peroxide in the tank for algae so obviously they are resistant to some level, but to what extent I don't know.

 

[Humblefish]

I've not used the bath because I'm unsure of a starting safe concentration or time. I've always used it via q-tip though to clean out wounds and never had any issues. I typically use q-tip followed by NFZ ointment (nitro) but apparently didn't have any on hand so had to swap it up with bacitracin tonight. Didn't know if you had tried something different yet effectively.

My biggest fear would be lack of oxygen using Peroxide it in a bath format. I'm sure we could use it similar to a quick dip, but I'm unsure about a bath.

I know there's been some testing with peroxide in the tank for algae so obviously they are resistant to some level, but to what extent I don't know.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/what-do-you-want-to-know.282604/page-4#post-3479733

 

[Amoo]

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/what-do-you-want-to-know.282604/page-4#post-3479733

Hmm, Lucky for you Anthias are not super expensive.

I have a 2 gallon cube I can try this in tomorrow depending on how healthy she looks. I'll go 1 gallon to 1ml with lights out and an airstone and see how she reacts. Seems like an awfully low dose. Let me do some digging into the Algae threads and see what I can come up with.

 

[Humblefish]

Hmm, Lucky for you Anthias are not super expensive.

I have a 2 gallon cube I can try this in tomorrow depending on how healthy she looks. I'll go 1 gallon to 1ml with lights out and an airstone and see how she reacts. Seems like an awfully low dose. Let me do some digging into the Algae threads and see what I can come up with.

Thanks

 

[Amoo]

Thanks

NP something to note though, I don't know how much more we'll gain out of this other then what levels this fish may tolerate.

I can describe in more detail the level of damage she currently has since it is now relative to what you want info wise.

The wounded area appears to be approximately 1' tall by .5" wide. All scales are missing on the area in question. There is slight damage to the tissue itself, but upon inspection tonight no redness was noted; however there was some visible white in between the dark tissue where damage appears to have occurred. The fish can still swim and move around seemingly unaffected when isolated, but prefers to just lay on the bottom, breathing normally.

Treatment tonight consistent of removing her from the water and holding her in a rubber glove, inspecting the damaged area via magnifying glass. After inspection a standard sized q-tip was dipped into peroxide and dabbed onto the area in question. This was done twice. There was some bubbling of the peroxide on the forward lower portion of where the scales meet flesh of the damaged area, approximately .25" in length. after 30 seconds, the fish was allowed to swim freely in a container for 1 minute before being removed again and a small amount of Bacitracin was applied via q-tip. The fish was again allowed to swim in an isolated container for 5 minutes and observed before being released back into the DT where she returned to the underside of the rock she had been under throughout the day.

EDIT:

Perozide was standard 3% and Bacitracin oitment was standard 500units per gram

 

[Humblefish]

@Amoo Don't put your fish in danger. I will eventually find more fish with velvet to experiment on.

What I'm after is this... After years of trial & error, my "go-to" QT protocol for treating velvet goes like this: 5 min FW dip (removes 80-90% of the parasites), 90 min acriflavine bath (helps ward off potential infections from all the tiny bite marks), and then into QT to treat with CP or copper. I've had the highest success rate treating fish with active infections of Marine Velvet when following this regimen.

However, when I advise people faced with velvet they are often unable to source one key ingredient locally: Acriflavine. Everybody can get RODI to do the FW dip and copper is readily available.

So, what I'm after is an easy to find alternative to using acriflavine for people's fish disease emergencies. I figure hydrogen peroxide can be bought at any drug store or Walmart.

 

[Amoo]

@Amoo Don't put your fish in danger. I will eventually find more fish with velvet to experiment on.

What I'm after is this... After years of trial & error, my "go-to" QT protocol for treating velvet goes like this: 5 min FW dip (removes 80-90% of the parasites), 90 min acriflavine bath (helps ward off a potential infection from all the tiny bite marks), and then into QT to treat with CP or copper. I've had the highest success rate treating fish with active infections of Marine Velvet when following this regimen.

However, when I advise people faced with velvet they are often unable to source one key ingredient locally: Acriflavine. Everybody can get RODI to do the FW dip and copper is readily available.

So, what I'm after is an easy to find alternative to using acriflavine for people's fish disease emergencies. I figure hydrogen peroxide can be bought at any drug store or Walmart.

No worries mate, I know what I can't get you is any information on Velvet, but what I can possibly get you dosing information for a place to start as I'm using it as a preventative.

My plan was to pull the fish from the 1gal with peroxide, then dump it in a bowl to clean everything off of it, then pull it out and perform my q-tip method again. If I get bubbling out of my peroxide after pulling it out of the bath and rinsing it, we can assume the starting recommended would not be strong enough. That was how I was planning on approaching this. I would definitely pull the fish and cancel all treatment if it either:

A - Shows unusual signs of stress
or
B- At any time looks like it is not healthy/strong enough to sustain the dip.

 

[Amoo]

She didn't make it to the first treatment Fish, the snails were on her this morning. I'm assuming the internal damage she suffered was too great.

 

[Humblefish]

She didn't make it to the first treatment Fish, the snails were on her this morning. I'm assuming the internal damage she suffered was too great.

Sorry for your loss. PBTs can be horrible sometimes.

 

[Amoo]

Sorry for your loss. PBTs can be horrible sometimes.

Unfortunately I've heard the horror stories but never been fortunate enough to have the pleasure. I typically use the Foxface, PBT and YT combo for Algae cleanup and it's almost always the YT. First time I've had the PBT be the aggressor. It happens, but at least now I know he needs the mirror next time I go to add somebody new.

 

[Humblefish]

Unfortunately I've heard the horror stories but never been fortunate enough to have the pleasure. I typically use the Foxface, PBT and YT combo for Algae cleanup and it's almost always the YT. First time I've had the PBT be the aggressor. It happens, but at least now I know he needs the mirror next time I go to add somebody new.

IME; YTs can be real jerks, but PBTs are more dangerous. Once any Acanthurus goes into "kill mode" serious damage is likely to be inflicted. I had a PBT one time in a 240 that wouldn't allow any other tang to cohabitate.

 

[Amoo]

IME; YTs can be real jerks, but PBTs are more dangerous. Once any Acanthurus goes into "kill mode" serious damage is likely to be inflicted. I had a PBT one time in a 240 that wouldn't allow any other tang to cohabitate.

That's really funny, like I said, I've heard many stories but this is my 6th time with this combo and first time it's been the PBT.

Luckily for me he tends to pick for about 24-48 hours then gives up and goes about his day. Sadly I think this was caused by him chasing her and her darting under the rock between the tile on the bottom of my tank and the rock itself in which she had to fit sideways and probably slammed into the rock on the way in.

He's a jerk fish and as such we have named him George (same name I used to give that one Cichlid that decided everybody has to die), but he's not a pick till they die fish. Not yet anyways. Most all of the picking from him has stopped completely at this point.