Ghost feed with bio Spira to start cycle?

Haha no problem. Thought I was about to learn some hidden info!




I blow glass as a trade and I'm a vet so patience = zen for me which is a huge thing that drew me to reefing so I'm a ok with patience.

So I am going to grab some ammonia it seems Tim's is a universal safe bet on these forums if you have any other suggestions I'd be down for them.

When you say plastic storage container do you have an example on the type? I don't wanna accidentally get the wrong thing. I got multiple heating elements for a future qt so I have those. I guess I need to get a light for a qteen as well. Again I don't plan on keeping many fish as of now till I move and get a bigger living room display tank so if I can avoid other full set up for a qt right now and just make one that would be suitable for the max 2 fish I'll keep.
Just a clear plastic storage container, I'm not sure on brands for the US as I'm in the UK!
You don't need a light for QT, ambient light will be good as it's not harsh so result in less fish stress. Light is good for inspections though!
 
Dr. Tims is pure ammonia chloride.

Ace brand janatorial ammonia has been used many times over with 0 issue also. Any ammonia(yes even urea) can be used, just make sure it has no surfactants(cleaning chemicals) added.


So if the biospira makes it so I can instant add fish with my caribsea life rock and caribsea aragalive sand is the bottled ammonia just to test how fast it is removed from the tank to ensure cycling is going on? Cause if the biospira doesn't hurt the fish why would I dose the ammonia?

Also is it pretty agreed on in what I'm going for (coral dominant max 2 fish) to grab a fish before I add my first coral for waste purposes?

Please excuse my excessive questions just so much to take in and I've been cramming for a few weeks.
 
if you add a fish, thats your ammonia source, same as adding ammonia. You need to feed the bacteria so they populate and multiply. That is all your doing with adding ammonia.

Honestly it's better to add a CUC first to start producing ammonia.
 
The rock I bought was caribsea life rock,
This is not live rock. Can be confusing. Add the bio-spira
Caribsea aragalive sand
Rinse the sand. You will not hurt it. Live bacteria stick to it like glue. You dont want the dead stuff or all the dust in your tank.

Is the bottled ammonia just to test how fast it is removed from the tank to ensure cycling is going on?
Cause if the biospira doesn't hurt the fish why would I dose the ammonia?
No. Ammonia is to feed the bacteria. You need a large colony of bacteria to process ammonia from fish and food waste.
If you have another source like fish food that will feed the bacteria. You dont need ammonia.
 
If you add A fish right away you won’t need to add ammonia, the fish will provide the source. Then wait two weeks and add another. Repeat until you’re stocked.
 
I don’t recommend adding fish right away. The Bio-Spira will “initiate” the cycle, but it will not prevent the initial ammonia spike. Your fish would most likely survive it, but in my opinion it is still inhumane to subject a fish to poor water conditions when this can be easily avoided by using ammonia to cycle the aquarium.

You can buy ammonium chloride like the one from Dr Tim’s, but you can also just use CLEAR ammonia from the grocery store to cycle the tank. just make sure it has no added fragrances or surfactants. A good way to check is to shake the bottle vigorously; if it suds up it’s no good for use in your aquarium. If the bubbles pop right away it should be okay to use. I filled an eye dropper with clear ammonia and used it to cycle my tank successfully

**A word of warning: do NOT continue to dose ammonia without keeping an eye on your nitrite level**. If your nitrite level gets too high, it will inhibit the growth of nitrite-to-nitrate converting bacteria and your cycle will stall. (This happened to me when cycling my tank and it prolonged the process by a LOT). I suggest you dose ammonia to 1-2pm and wait for nitrite levels to fall to at least 0.25ppm before adding more ammonia.

Also, if your live rock is being shipped to you keep in mind that there could be considerable die-off in transit. When you add the rock to your aquarium you could see an ammonia spike just from the rock itself. I would wait a few days after adding the rock before dosing any additional ammonia.

ultimately, your goal should be to get to a point where you can add ammonia to a concentration of 1ppm and get readings of 0ppm ammonia and 0ppm nitrite within 24 hours.

A final word on quarantine, I don’t think it is necessary as long as you get both fish from the same location. If you only plan to add two fish and you get them at the same time from the same system at your LFS then they will have been exposed to the same pathogens. If your LFS’s system has ich, the only good quarantine will do is keeping it out of your display tank. If you do add the fish to your display and they develop ich you could still try treating for it BEFORE adding inverts. If the treatment is unsuccessful you’ll have to let the tank sit fallow (without fish) for 2-3 months before you can try again. If you can’t find the fish at the same store (unlikely since clowns and royal grammas are both pretty common in the hobby) you really should quarantine since you won’t want to risk infecting a healthy fish with a potentially unhealthy one.

Good luck!
 
@lapin ty for clarifying the live rock issue I have not been able to find that Info.

Ty everyone else for all the info it really clarified alot! If anyone has anymore input I'm always willing to hear it!
 

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