Gilroy 425g Build Thread (All Apex, all the time)

Terence,
Just started reading your build! Thanks for taking us all for the ride. I just saw this and would you believe I am making this mistake now. I'll have to correct this asap.

I am glad this has been useful for people and it is certainly fulfilling if I can save at least one person from a heater disaster.
 
Very nice rock work, love the two islands. If the Pump is the Hear of a tank, the lights will be like the soul... so I am intrigue on the soul of this mammoth.
by the way I love my Apex.
~<><~ CJM
Thanks, I put a lot of thinking, planing, and tweaking to get it to have just the right balance - at least in my mind.

hope they take care of you.

great job on the frame work. i get envious when i see people that are really good at constructing cool stuff like this.

I hope so too. This was the worry going into it, but I was told this issue had been resolved.

This aluminum stuff is super simple to construct if you take your time, plan it out, and use a chop-saw to cut it.

Looking great Terrance! I love the light canopy setup! I used the same kind of stuff for my light rack. It certainly is a blessing to work with and the finished product sure comes out nice! Sorry about the Deltec issue. Seems that isn't first time I have heard those kinds of concerns/issues with Deltec USA. Hopefully it isn't a sign of things to come. Looking forward to seeing your next updates!

Thanks Scott. Funny that we ended up using some of the same type of material and I had never seen yours. Great minds think alike I guess. It was not cheap, but it paid off in huge dividends by going together easily, being rock solid, and super lightweight.
 
www.outwater.com, i found it i couldn't find it cause the plastics in the url you posted is wrong. thanks tho they actually carry a kit if stuff at really good pricing
 
Thanks Scott. Funny that we ended up using some of the same type of material and I had never seen yours. Great minds think alike I guess. It was not cheap, but it paid off in huge dividends by going together easily, being rock solid, and super lightweight.

Mine is setup a bit different. It's on a motorized lift that uses an AC powered winch to raise and lower it. It's setup within the enclosed lighting/access soffit above my tank.
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Man, I love love that extra neck extension piece! (I think I've already said that when you first posted it). I wish vertex made that piece
 
Terence. Get ahold of Phil Gilbert. He is the rep for Deltec now. He is up in Canada but has been great to work with. He runs PolypLab as well. He will take care of you.
 
Terence. Get ahold of Phil Gilbert. He is the rep for Deltec now. He is up in Canada but has been great to work with. He runs PolypLab as well. He will take care of you.
Brad came through. I don't know exactly what this says if Brad has Deltec guys on speed dial for when his CR pumps fail. Anyways, it looks as if Doug is no longer repping Deltec in the USA. Phil Gilbert from PolypLab in Canada evidently represents their products up there and is now doing USA too. He said he would get a pump out and in my hands early this coming week. For that I am grateful.

I bought this CR based on much positive feedback from many (and Brads results) but the pumps I knew were an issue which I was assured by Doug they had fixed the problem via a design change. So much for that. If this next one fails I will be looking at modifying the CR and replacing it with a Sicce or the new Reef Octopus pump like the needlewheel one I have on my skimmer. It is variable speed DC (apex controllable) and super quiet with a new driver design.
 
Two more things done yesterday. First, I mounted a Kessil A360 to the side of the sump in preparation for the macro-algae I will be running soon down there. I could have run a simple HD bulb, but I had this laying around so why not?

I also cut and mounted the hinge supports for the canopies. Before pushing the tank back I anchored some angle brackets to the wall at the same height as the tank. I planned on making some sort of wood piece that would bridge from the wall to the top of the tank and have support on both. I did the bracket at tank height because at the time I did not know what I was going to do for certain on the canopies. It just so happens the height of the canopies was 7.5" so I needed something in that neighborhood. Looking around I saw I had some scrap 4x8 treated redwood beam material from my deck construction last year. Perfect. I measured the length and then screwed it into the angle brackets. I used a few 8" strips of 3M double sided foam tape for the bottom of it to stick to the tank and stay put. The mass on these is perfect. They will not go anywhere. I will be mounting a black abs plate to them to the floor to hide everything from view when you look at the side of the tank.

Next stop, hinges. And, hopefully my lights soon...

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Brad came through. I don't know exactly what this says if Brad has Deltec guys on speed dial for when his CR pumps fail. Anyways, it looks as if Doug is no longer repping Deltec in the USA. Phil Gilbert from PolypLab in Canada evidently represents their products up there and is now doing USA too. He said he would get a pump out and in my hands early this coming week. For that I am grateful.

I bought this CR based on much positive feedback from many (and Brads results) but the pumps I knew were an issue which I was assured by Doug they had fixed the problem via a design change. So much for that. If this next one fails I will be looking at modifying the CR and replacing it with a Sicce or the new Reef Octopus pump like the needlewheel one I have on my skimmer. It is variable speed DC (apex controllable) and super quiet with a new driver design.
You won't regret adding a sicce pump. I took out my Panworld on my Geo CR, and swapped it with a Sicce. Best thing I have ever done. It's been 6 months and the pump is working great, and it's dead silent. Less wattage and more gph then the Panworld. Win win

 
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Terence, couple quick questions, I'm in the planning stages of changing out my stand for a 316 stainless stand. Did you screw your maple plywood down to your stand? Or is it floating?
Do you have levelers built into the stand, shimmed, or no need, perfect floor?
 
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Terence, couple quick questions, I'm in the planning stages of changing out my stand for a 316 stainless stand. Did you screw your maple plywood down to your stand? Or is it floating?
Do you have levelers built into the stand, shimmed, or no need, perfect floor?

Good questions as I do not remember if I covered these issues earlier in the thread. I did not screw down the plywood, I used liquid nails on it. And then threw weights on top on the edges to make sure it stayed down while it dried.

I decided NOT to use levelers. My floor is nearly perfect level. Even if it were not the case, I would have shimmed it. The reason is that I wanted the weight evenly distributed across my floor joists as opposed to touching down on eight 2" spots.
 
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Back from RAP today, long trip back. What greets me at my door? A brand new Aquabee pump courtesy of Phil Gilbert with PolypLabs who sent it out to me last week and who I had the pleasure to meet and chat with this weekend at RAP in Orlando.

That was the good news.

The first thing I did when I got home is go downstairs to the Fish Cave, new pump in hand, excited to finally get the Deltec PF601S Calcium Reactor back on line. I took it downstairs, found the two fittings that screw into the pump and proceeded to screw them in. The top one is straight and the bottom one has an elbow and a 1/4" volute pipe for the recirculating CO2. The top one went fine. I spun the bottom one on, slightly snugged it up to the o-ring and I heard the sound that we all know is never good - cracking plastic. It seems the thin, cheap hard plastic of the male fitting simply spiral cracked. I took it apart and you could see that this pump, and this fitting is of a quality that should not be on a piece of equipment that costs this much. Nice. OK, no worries, I have lots of plumbing parts so I figure I will just DIY a replacement with a matching bulkhead and my own little 1/4" fitting. NOPE. Guess what, all metric! dang! More days or weeks without a calcium reactor ahead of me.

At this point I have to tell you my opinion. After all, that is what these forums are for and specifically build threads like this. They are a place where people can get ideas, recommendations, and in this case HUGE cautions. I acquired this calcium reactor because of the fine Deltec reputation. And, I knew going in that there were some issues with the CR pumps, but was assured by Doug that they were dealt with already. Until it failed, I liked it a lot. But it seems I got a lemon, then could not get a single response from a company representative for weeks, and ultimately a rep from another country had to help me. Even then, when I had an issue I could fix with many other calcium reactors, due to the metric fittings, I was out of luck without going online, buying a bunch of metric PVC pieces, or simply waiting for Phil to send me a replacement. How depressing.

So, here is my reasoning why to avoid Deltec equipment at all costs if you live in the United States:
- Products that are shipped with known design issues for many years.
- No easy way to swap out the pump
- No reliable local representative to get support or parts
- Metric parts and pieces that make repairs near impossible in the USA without ordering online from specialty outfits.

I have sunk cost in this CR so short term I will see if Phil can send me a replacement fitting. Long term I will buy the metric parts and try and adapt it to use a more reliable and economical pump with more easily available fittings.

If you are in Canada or Europe some of the sting out of the above is lessened as there is better dealer support, and of course more easily available metric fittings.
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Now more good news.

I left for four days, came home, and all was well.

Better yet, before I left I added that chaeto and the Kessil. When I came home, to my surprise the macro algae doubled in size since I left! And, the little rock corral I created kept in in place and the UV output flow was making it happy!

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Got to see you at RAP but didn't get a chance to talk since you were talking to someone else. Maybe next year.
Sorry. These shows are crazy times for us. During much of the show there were about 10-15 people in our booth at any one time.

Our next US event is RAP in NY/NJ and then MACNA and then RAP SoCal.
 
I know you got some serious dough tied up in the deltec but call Jeff at lifereef he is about to start production on this years supply of calcium reactors. Made in the USA by someone that has been hand making them for ~ 20 years. (Standard fittings that you could get at any hardware store)
 

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