Gilroy 425g Build Thread (All Apex, all the time)

Last week I got a big donation of amazing frags from Robert and Cerissa at www.neptuneaquatics.com in San Jose. Everything from amazing monitpora to millepora to micromussa to one of those new-fangled mushrooms everyone is going crazy about. Pics will come later. Thanks guys!
 
Not much done on the tank over the weekend. I did, however, finally set up a simple ATO on the tank by using a simple float switch connected to the breakout box and used the DOS as the ATO pump. Doing it this way I can have the extra security that I will not get an overrun on the ATO as the DOS will only DOS so much a day. Basically I told it to dose 4 gallons of fresh water to the tank unless the float switch was OPEN. It really was a hack job, but I was tired of being the cobbler whose children had holes in their shoes. Salinity consistency was suffering. Also cleaned the skimmer for the first time in about a month :D (love that wiper)

This morning all key params were tested. Here are the results:

Alk: 9.7 dKh (Hanna)
Calcium: 400 (Nyos)
Magnesium: 1260 (Nyos)
Phosphate: 0 (Hanna)
Nitrate: 5 (Nyos)
Salinity: 33.7ppt (Apex) 34 (DD Refractometer calibrated with AccuraSea from TLF)
Temp: 77.6F
ORP: 479 (always has been high but drops appropriately at cleanings, water changes, etc.)
pH: 8.27 (weekly swing from 8.25-8.34 so I am pretty happy about that - benefit of having the sump quasi-outside and having a big skimmer)

I keep feeding the heck out of this tank and the macro algae and filtration keep taking it up so that's good.

I still need to install that push-button box.
 
Nice params!
I have to run soda lime on my skimmer air intake just to be able to see 8.15 with 9.5dkh... Definitely a benefit to and outside sump...
 
I was asked by someone on PM why my salinity was 33.7 instead of 35 so I thought I would answer it here since others may have had the same question.

First off, while consistency is very important, chasing numbers is not. I usually keep the tank around 34.2-34.5.

In the work I was doing to test the ATO float switch and pump operation I did a manual top off and went past where I wanted it, then adjusted the sensor height. As it evaporates down, it will rise back up slowly. It is currently at about 34.2.
 
Thanks for the info!
 
Terence, have you thought of using an algae scrubber? I was wondering if you would share your thoughts on one. I was considering running one but not convinced of one just yet.

Thanks
 
I was asked by someone on PM why my salinity was 33.7 instead of 35 so I thought I would answer it here since others may have had the same question.

Definitely one of the things that I will never seem to be able to figure out on both of my apex's, is why it is virtually impossible to get the salinity probe to display what my tank actually is. I know it's measuring different things than my Milwaukee digital refractometer, and that consistency is the important thing, but dang if I just wish it read 35 like it should :-)

I wish there was just a way to calibrate it in the tank and then "tell it" what it should be displaying. Using solution is a PITA. I'd rather calibrate it to what I believe my tank to be and have it work off of that.
 
Not unless APEX enables under the hood settings and you can set Zero and Span
 
Definitely one of the things that I will never seem to be able to figure out on both of my apex's, is why it is virtually impossible to get the salinity probe to display what my tank actually is. I know it's measuring different things than my Milwaukee digital refractometer, and that consistency is the important thing, but dang if I just wish it read 35 like it should :)

I wish there was just a way to calibrate it in the tank and then "tell it" what it should be displaying. Using solution is a PITA. I'd rather calibrate it to what I believe my tank to be and have it work off of that.

So the first question to ask is, what is correct? Next is how is something being measured?

If you calibrated your probe properly and you are using temperature compensation, there is not much else that is going to be more accurate than that. When you use external methods like refractometers or external devices that use the same method as the Apex of conductivity, how do you know they are calibrated? Do they take into account the temperature of the water?

Now to answer the second question. You can use your tank to "calibrate" the probe, however unless you REALLY know what you are doing, because of the answer I gave above, this may be a very bad idea. I have just recently done this (the reason for doing this may come out in a future post), but only after CAREFUL calibration of two refractometers using Two Little Fishies "AccuraSea" and getting my water to exactly what those said was 35 (repeatedly testing) did I do it. Still, that could be anywhere from 34.7 or 35.3.

I do NOT recommend this process for the average hobbyist. If you calibrate your conductivity/salinity probe with the 53000 solution, and you readings are consistent but not matching your refractometer or other device, make sure those are calibrated and do not forget that temperature plays a role.
 
I will also add that most peoples issues with salinity monitoring have to do with microbubbles getting on the probe element or some sort of electrical noise in the water or around the wire.
 
I will also add that most peoples issues with salinity monitoring have to do with microbubbles getting on the probe element or some sort of electrical noise in the water or around the wire.
 
So the first question to ask is, what is correct? Next is how is something being measured?

If you calibrated your probe properly and you are using temperature compensation, there is not much else that is going to be more accurate than that. When you use external methods like refractometers or external devices that use the same method as the Apex of conductivity, how do you know they are calibrated? Do they take into account the temperature of the water?

Now to answer the second question. You can use your tank to "calibrate" the probe, however unless you REALLY know what you are doing, because of the answer I gave above, this may be a very bad idea. I have just recently done this (the reason for doing this may come out in a future post), but only after CAREFUL calibration of two refractometers using Two Little Fishies "AccuraSea" and getting my water to exactly what those said was 35 (repeatedly testing) did I do it. Still, that could be anywhere from 34.7 or 35.3.

I do NOT recommend this process for the average hobbyist. If you calibrate your conductivity/salinity probe with the 53000 solution, and you readings are consistent but not matching your refractometer or other device, make sure those are calibrated and do not forget that temperature plays a role.
Hi Terence, thanks for the reply, and not meaning a hijack, just threw it out there. I've used both a standard, calibrated with AccuraSea (as well as a few other calibration solutions) ATC refractometer, as well as a completely digital, ATC corrected, calibrated, Milwaukee MA887 Seawater refractometer. On my "classic" lab-grade probe apex, I use the temp probe as connected to the salinity module, floated the calibration solution, beat the probe as best i could to remove bubbles, etc, and have never gotten a reading close to 35. It's always in the 32 to 33 range. While consistent, it's never matched either my analog or digital refractometer. On my "new" apex, I did the same calibration, same result.

Both of my refractometers match one another.

Actually, I've gone through probably 6 of the calibration packets and either the Apex probe doesn't like what's in hw-marinemix reefer salt, or both of my other, calibrated, refractometers are wrong. I guess I'm just getting tired of ordering more packets as there's no place to pick them up locally, and they're not exactly free :)

If I were to use the tank to calibrate the probe, what salinity should I choose when calibrating? None of the default options seemed applicable to me, so I just didn't bother with it.

Honestly, I know at the end of the day, as long as the readout is not varying much, the water is likely AOK. It's just the OCD in me that wants the apex salt gauge to read what I believe it should be reading.
 
Let's not make this an Apex support thread but let me give you one last thing to think about.

The optical refractometers do not correct well for temp. If your Apex probe sitting in Calibration solution at the end registers 35ppt, then that is what it is and it is accurate.

Make sure to take a sample of water outside the tank and put the probe in it. Still a problem. Turn off (unplug) all other equipment and see what it looks like then.
 
Let's not make this an Apex support thread but let me give you one last thing to think about.

The optical refractometers do not correct well for temp. If your Apex probe sitting in Calibration solution at the end registers 35ppt, then that is what it is and it is accurate.

Make sure to take a sample of water outside the tank and put the probe in it. Still a problem. Turn off (unplug) all other equipment and see what it looks like then.
Cheers, Terence. Onward with the build!
 
@Terence quick question where or who did you get that amazing Plutonium Acan from
I have had it for some time now. It has had quite the journey. I originally (2011 I think) traded a colony of Blondies to Brandon at zooanthids.com back when he had a storefront in Lindon, UT. It was just two or three heads at that time. Gorgeous. I also obtained another about a month later from Brad at The Aquarium in Sandy, UT. Both were in my nano tank before I broke down all my tanks to move to CA in 2012. At that time, I asked my good friend Cliff to hold them for me until I could get a tank going again. He had them in his frag tank downstairs under Kessil 360 LED for about 18 months. They grew like crazy in that time. Then, sometime in late 2013 my wife Nancy had to fly out to Utah so I had her pick them up and bring them home. I put both of them in my 10g nano tank at work. Just recently I brought the bigger of the two pieces home. The other is still in my nano.

So, where can you get one? I don't know. I do know that it is doubtful either of my colonies will ever be cut. :)
 
@Terence thats an awesome history story on them! and both I have been hunting them down for a few years now I stumbled upon them online and recently searched " Plutonium Acan" on the search here on reef2reef.com and your build showed up!
 

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