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I'm not giving up permanently, just for a while. Having issues with my tank and just had to throw away roughly a 1000 dollars worth of corals frags with more to come I'm sure.

This is why.

I have been battling low nitrates and phosphates for a while, like 0 ppm low. I have been dosing Neophos at 10 mil a day with no reading on my Hanna checker. In the past few months I have been upgrading my equipment getting ready for sps corals, always had lps in the tank and they were growing at a great speed. I installed a LED/T5 hybrid and within a few weeks I had an explosion of Dinos, as in overnight. I tried to blow off the rocks and suck it up and continued dosing Neophos. Figuring I was carbon deficient I doubled my tank feeding to try and raise my nitrates and help the phosphate. I did a thorough cleaning and I had to break up a lot of sand that was turning into concrete and a 25 percent water change. After this all my corals retracted which has happened before. I did water changes every week, roughly a 25 percent. 3 weeks later the frags looked worse and tissue started to recede. I tested parameters again and they finally looked the best they have had in a long time and corals are still dying. I also started to dose Dino X, don't know if its working or not, I no longer have bubbles in the algae but still have red hair type algae on the rock and sand bed and coral frags which is killing them. Just order a ICP test and will send it off when I get it to see if something else is going on, but more than likely I will loose the rest of my frags waiting which is still a lot of money. I would have removed them and put them in a QT but the only tanks I have had copper in them as they are my fish QT tanks. The prospect of having to tear down my tank and start over may be in the future but will deflate me greatly as it was a pain to get this far. So I may be signing off for a while as this is stinging a lot. Here are the last parameters takin. I was in the process of dialing in my Apex DOS which is why the cal and alk are a little low. The high feeding helped raise the nitrates and phosphates, but the phosphates are within the margin of error so it still could be 0 ppm.

No2 0 Red Sea
No3 10 Red Sea
PH 8.04 Apex
Ammonia 0 Red Sea
Phosphate .02 Hanna Checker
Cal 390 Red Sea
Alk 7.6 Hanna Checker
Mag 1460 Red Sea
 
Why on earth would you throw in the towel now?

Don't add a bunch of frags but try and stabilize things.

Don't dose anything for a bit.

What size tank do you have? Any livestock at all?

Please don't pull a me and try to give up. As @Katrina71 would say "There's a lot of love here"

We will pull together to help you.
 
Wow, sorry to hear the troubles I had no idea you were going through a battle with your tank. I understand the frustration and we would hate to seeing you toss in the towel. If you change your mind we can collectively work the problem out.
 
Sounds to me like an awful lot of chemical remedies for a tank that's barely 6 months old. So many dials turned at once it's gotta be nearly impossible to determine root causes of the issues.

Good call on ICP, could be a maverick issue.
 
Agreed ICP may reveal the culprit.

I would never have known what killed my customer's tank if she hadn't sent in a test before I took over. It was already dead but it helped me trace down the issue and prevent it from happening when we finish the reboot.
 
Lots of changes happening here, sounds like in a short time. Dinoflagellates dieing off can cause toxic effects in your water. GAC and water changes are your friend.

Having low nutrients at the begining of adding SPS frags stressed them. Adding chems to combat the pest algaes and dinoflagellates stressed them more. Change in lighting may have contributed. Adding foods as carbon is a okay way to drive nutrients up, but also comes as cost in water quality if a system isn't able to deal with the DOC's that foods bring.

This may sound so cliche, but having a system stable in water pramameters optimal for coral health and growth is key before additions of coral frags is ideal.

I wouldn't through in the towel @Billldg, but allow your system to stabilize before any other coral additions. Maybe a reefer friend could keep some of your frags till you get things inline.

Hang in there!
 
I'm not giving up totally, I still have fish and more in QT also. Even battling Dinos the frags looked fine until I did a cleaning and broke up a lot of sand that was turning into concrete, then everything closed up and the rest is history. Trying to think what could have been bound up in the sand that was released, but have no clue. Thought maybe something could have got into my salt water mixing trash can, but nothing comes to mind.
 
Agreed ICP may reveal the culprit.

I would never have known what killed my customer's tank if she hadn't sent in a test before I took over. It was already dead but it helped me trace down the issue and prevent it from happening when we finish the reboot.
Yeah all his parameters are fine
I'm not giving up totally, I still have fish and more in QT also. Even battling Dinos the frags looked fine until I did a cleaning and broke up a lot of sand that was turning into concrete, then everything closed up and the rest is history. Trying to think what could have been bound up in the sand that was released, but have no clue. Thought maybe something could have got into my salt water mixing trash can, but nothing comes to mind.
Stirring up a lot of sand could've released some undesirable stuff. I crashed a nano tank like that once. Since that I never stir the sand in my 90, at least nothing more than my gobies.
 
Yeah all his parameters are fine

Stirring up a lot of sand could've released some undesirable stuff. I crashed a nano tank like that once. Since that I never stir the sand in my 90, at least nothing more than my gobies.

I vacuum my sand once a month. Stir, no.
 
Sand turing to concrete is a sign of calcium alkalinity swings. Precipitation.
Which is why I switched to a DOS, I was using Kalk, but with the nature of how its dosed, their would be swings because its tied to the amount of precipitation of water.
 
Do not give up, I have had trials with my tank but I am still hanging it. I have been in the hobby for year and felt like giving up once or twice but reef2reef helped me a lot and I hung in there. Last week my hose came off of my sump got my carpet wet had to pull part of it back. Got a flame angel in my son's tank that is sick. But everybody else is fine and I am hanging in there. I will be happy to tell you everything that I am doing.
 
Which is why I switched to a DOS, I was using Kalk, but with the nature of how its dosed, their would be swings because its tied to the amount of precipitation of water.

I personally use kalkwasser in my ATO reservoir and hand dose alkalinity when needed with sodium bicarbonate. Each system is different, but I've never had precipitation causing "concrete" sand.

I did have precipitation using sodium carbonate a couple years ago. It covered everything in my sump, pumps just like concrete. Never again would I use baked baking soda!
 
How long you been on DOS?

Do you record your Apex data? Can you share?
Apex has only been up for roughly 5 weeks. Still learning what it does.
 

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