Great News For Apex Classic Users!!!

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Well, the oddest thing happened the other day. My Apex Classic Gold, after only a little over a year of use, decided to have a minor meltdown. All three of my EB8 Power Bars and all my Modules decided to stop communicating with the base unit and presented with flashing "Green" status lights on everything but the base unit. 30 minutes later after unplugging and plugging back in all the Aqua Bus cables systematically the unit 'magically' restored itself. I put in a trouble ticket with Apex Customer support (as I will be heading on vacation in less than 3 weeks,(naturally):rolleyes:, and need my Apex functioning) and was able to get hooked up with them via remote viewing the following morning due to a cancellation. Good job with customer support and darn lucky if you ask me. However, the response email recommended that I download the latest firmware version after not quite understanding or reading carefully the issue I was having. This was a bad thing to do which I will get back to shortly.

After the Support Rep went through things he concluded that I have an issue with my base unit that has been seen and known about. He said that I could send the base unit in for diagnostics but if it is the problem he suspects, and he is pretty sure that it is, they will not be able to repair the unit as they do not make the replacement part needed any longer because the Classic Gold unit is no longer produced.
So, Apex has units that, up to relatively recently were being sold at the retail level that they can not service. You would think that a reputable company would provide service and manufacture parts for units only out of production or retail sales for about a year or so for the next five years, or thereabouts. I have a unit that is just 5 months out of warranty and they do not have nor will they have parts to repair it, at least for the known problem mine has. My only option is to buy another unit that, yes, you still can get via retail outlets, that they will not be able to service, at least if the same issue occurs with the new unit within the warranty period. Or, buy a new 2016 unit and deal with the conversion. Lord knows how long they will support that unit.

The bottom line, with as many Classic users out there who have relatively recently purchased their units, one would surmise Neptune Systems would stand behind their product and provide at least a number of years of service for existing users. So they have me in a tight spot. The known issue will continue to occur, with longer gaps before returning to normal function, and more often till the base unit finally ceases to function at all, per the rep. To add insult to injury....

Back to the email that was originally sent after submitting my trouble ticket recommending that I update my firmware. If I had followed the recommendation and performed an update as recommended, my Base unit would "most likely" have been rendered completely inoperable. Not feeling so warm and fuzzy about Neptune Systems about now.

So there we have it. Great news for Apex Classic users... Hmmm, GHL anyone?
Rant over.
 
My guess is that they have reserved enough spares and spare parts to be able to support all in warranty classics - that’s pretty standard operating procedure. But if yours is out of warranty you’re SOL. Maybe they’d do some kind of reduced purchase option for the newer brain - rather like Kessil does for their out of warranty lights. Otherwise bailing on the installed base is not cool.
 
Sorry if I chuckle a little :)

I had the same issues, but mine started earlier... with Reefkeeper. Bought one just as they were going out of business. It started messing up, I'm out of luck. Bought an Apex Classic... just in time for them to be discontinued. Happily, I got a real steal of a deal on an Apex EL, but yeah, I hear you.

I'm an industrial software engineer. I'm one more Apex crash away from picking up a cheap IDEC PLC. For like $250, it'd do everything I might need, and then some. I'd have to wire a row of outlets, but that's no big deal. Just write what I need to do myself. I like Apex's Cloud software, but IMHO, stability and reliability is far more important.

I installed IDEC micro PLC's in industrial applications 20 years ago. They're still churning right along.
 
My classic keeps on going strong (knock on wood). It is controlling two reefs. I haven't updated the firmware in years. I know it is out of date, but I don't want to mess up a good thing :)
 
My guess is that they have reserved enough spares and spare parts to be able to support all in warranty classics - that’s pretty standard operating procedure. But if yours is out of warranty you’re SOL. Maybe they’d do some kind of reduced purchase option for the newer brain - rather like Kessil does for their out of warranty lights. Otherwise bailing on the installed base is not cool.
You are likely correct but I think it sad that they are not keeping parts for a known issue for users that have relatively recently purchased a unit. 17 months on a piece of equipment as costly, widely in use, and supposedly sophisticated product as the classic, I think, warrants parts for longer than 1 year out of production. IMHO.
 
I am out of warranty on a unit bought used and have a trouble ticket open. Have a call with them Friday. Pretty worried
Good luck. I hope you are not as out of luck as me.
 
Sorry if I chuckle a little :)

I had the same issues, but mine started earlier... with Reefkeeper. Bought one just as they were going out of business. It started messing up, I'm out of luck. Bought an Apex Classic... just in time for them to be discontinued. Happily, I got a real steal of a deal on an Apex EL, but yeah, I hear you.

I'm an industrial software engineer. I'm one more Apex crash away from picking up a cheap IDEC PLC. For like $250, it'd do everything I might need, and then some. I'd have to wire a row of outlets, but that's no big deal. Just write what I need to do myself. I like Apex's Cloud software, but IMHO, stability and reliability is far more important.

I installed IDEC micro PLC's in industrial applications 20 years ago. They're still churning right along.
Chuckle a little, just not a lot. My wallet, reef, and wife are not amused. Regardless, I need a replacement of some sort and that is where the wallet and wife have issues.
Regarding the IDEC... If only I had the skills...
 
My classic keeps on going strong (knock on wood). It is controlling two reefs. I haven't updated the firmware in years. I know it is out of date, but I don't want to mess up a good thing :)
You are lucky. I was hoping for your kind of success. I hope you really did knock on wood as you typed that. Yup, DO NOT update. If it ain't broke...
 
Well, I bit the bullet and succumbed to the surly business practices of Neptune and ordered a 2016. I'm kind of bound to it as I have many modules and EB's invested. ;Facepalm I just hope that I can get it and set it up before I leave for vacation.
 
You are lucky. I was hoping for your kind of success. I hope you really did knock on wood as you typed that. Yup, DO NOT update. If it ain't broke...
I do have it located in a separate cabinet, tucked away from any possible salt creep or tank humidity.
 
Well, I bit the bullet and succumbed to the surly business practices of Neptune and ordered a 2016. I'm kind of bound to it as I have many modules and EB's invested. ;Facepalm I just hope that I can get it and set it up before I leave for vacation.

I thought for sure after that rant you'd upgrade to something better like the GHL:(
 
I thought for sure after that rant you'd upgrade to something better like the GHL:(
I thought too for sure as well. After crunching the numbers and the CFO's input... I'm stuck. BUT, I have started a squirrel fund. 5% of all payments to myself from the business will be set aside for the upgrade. I will upgrade the tank then too. Unless I am faced with the same dilemma in the near future with the Apex which I can certainly see happening... Bookkeeping and justification... ;Blackeye
 
I thought too for sure as well. After crunching the numbers and the CFO's input... I'm stuck. BUT, I have started a squirrel fund. 5% of all payments to myself from the business will be set aside for the upgrade. I will upgrade the tank then too. Unless I am faced with the same dilemma in the near future with the Apex which I can certainly see happening... Bookkeeping and justification... ;Blackeye

Did you crunch the numbers with GHL? It might have been cheaper than you think to have done the upgrade. Upgrading to the 2016 and then again to the GHL down the road seems like a little bit of a waste..
 
Did you crunch the numbers with GHL? It might have been cheaper than you think to have done the upgrade. Upgrading to the 2016 and then again to the GHL down the road seems like a little bit of a waste..
I understand @JoshH and don't necessarily disagree but... With an initial cost of over $2500 to get what I think I need to transfer over, the learning curve to upgrade to GHL, making certain that I actually have all that I need to run my system, verifying compatibility with equipment I have, the impending vacation in less than 3 weeks, as well, I can sell the Neptune products later to recoupe the cost output when I do get a GHL vs $400 for a new Apex 2016 base. All things considered, it just makes more sense, both economic and time/headache right now to go this route. If funds and time were no issue... I would be singing a different tune. Things are never as cut and dry as they may first appear. Trust me, it is with a heavy heart I am forced into the corner I find myself in.
 
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Sorry to hear about your troubles. Did the apex guy happen to mention what kind of part it is that is the root cause?
 
Sorry to hear about your troubles. Did the apex guy happen to mention what kind of part it is that is the root cause?
He did not. He only stated that the part in the base unit needed to fix my particular issue is not made any longer and they do not have any.
 
I understand @JoshH and don't necessarily disagree but... With an initial cost of over $2500 to get what I think I need to transfer over, the learning curve to upgrade to GHL, making certain that I actually have all that I need to run my system, verifying compatibility with equipment I have, the impending vacation in less than 3 weeks, as well, I can sell the Neptune products later to recoupe the cost output when I do get a GHL vs $400 for a new Apex 2016 base. All things considered, it just makes more sense, both economic and time/headache right now to go this route. If funds and time were no issue... I would be singing a different tune. Things are never as cut and dry as they may first appear. Trust me, it is with a heavy heart I am forced into the corner I find myself in.

I wasn't aware the EBs were compatible with the 2016 so that's not that bad then. I would still suggest you shoot GHL a message and find out exactly what you will need for the swap, it might not be as bad as you think so you can atleast plan your budget around that. Hopefully you can put all this behind you and enjoy your vacation!!!
 
I wasn't aware the EBs were compatible with the 2016 so that's not that bad then. I would still suggest you shoot GHL a message and find out exactly what you will need for the swap, it might not be as bad as you think so you can atleast plan your budget around that. Hopefully you can put all this behind you and enjoy your vacation!!!
Yup, all modules and EB8's compatible.
I'm planning it out or at least figuring it out. Already sent a message to GHL.
 

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