Growing lost scales

[Huskymaniac]

Just the male anthia and him. The only simularity between both instances is the water was not sterilized, I had not reason to believe it needed it and that anthia was present. He is mean and has showed side but never seen a nip. But that doesn't mean anything I suppose. I should have gotten rid of him weeks ago. Maybe he is the culprit, it just seems like it would take a lot of aggression for this damage to occur. It also would gradually get worse. I would come in and see another scale on the bottom. The Wrasse has lot 4 or 5 now I think. Very large scales, almost 3/16" long each.

Those are definitly mechanical injuries on the wrasse caused by aggression or maybe wedging itself in rocks/decorations. It may or may not return to 100% normal but I don't think you have anything to worry about.

 

[Huskymaniac]

What meds did you treat these guys with? It looks like it may have been bacterial Uronema is definitely a possibility as well here.

I know it sounds crazy but the lesion on the leopard looks like a big scrape. You can see speckled blood spots areas. To me looks like some type of infection from a trauma.

 

[wangspeed]

I know it sounds crazy but the lesion on the leopard looks like a big scrape. You can see speckled blood spots areas. To me looks like some type of infection from a trauma.

I tried CP, which did nothing for the leopard. Then the trio of kanaplex, metroplex, and furan2. It was too late for him. That lesion on the leopard didn’t look like this at first. It looked like ruffled scales. Almost like freshwater dropsy in that one spot. Then scales fell off after a few weeks, and finally an open deep growing wound. I felt bad for her.

The lineatus was dead in just a few days. I forget what I tried on her. She had the lesion right in the bag from LA.

 

[Taylor]

Well I think my yellow flanked is not going to make it. Even after removing him to my second qt and 3rd day treatment of nfg he has lost 5 more scales and it has spread to his dorsal, he has it clamped and scales on the other side look loose. I wish I knew exactly what it was. Why I had two wrasses have it in a row months apart from the same vendor and very similar in family of Wrasse. I have had such bad luck with fish lately. I use cycled qts and do very frequent water changes with good flow and plenty of hiding places. They always eat for a few days then something comes up like this and they don't make it. This Wrasse is going on 4 weeks, its been a slow decline. With this order I also had a Ruby Longfin who seemed perfectly fine for a week then boom, dead overnight. Everything is unexplainable. The orange back who lost his scales came with an exquisite Wrasse who is absolutely fine and made it to DT no problems. The yellow flanked and Ruby longfin were qted with that anthia who is just fine still. There is no consistency to this.

 

[Huskymaniac]

Well I think my yellow flanked is not going to make it. Even after removing him to my second qt and 3rd day treatment of nfg he has lost 5 more scales and it has spread to his dorsal, he has it clamped and scales on the other side look loose. I wish I knew exactly what it was. Why I had two wrasses have it in a row months apart from the same vendor and very similar in family of Wrasse. I have had such bad luck with fish lately. I use cycled qts and do very frequent water changes with good flow and plenty of hiding places. They always eat for a few days then something comes up like this and they don't make it. This Wrasse is going on 4 weeks, its been a slow decline. With this order I also had a Ruby Longfin who seemed perfectly fine for a week then boom, dead overnight. Everything is unexplainable. The orange back who lost his scales came with an exquisite Wrasse who is absolutely fine and made it to DT no problems. The yellow flanked and Ruby longfin were qted with that anthia who is just fine still. There is no consistency to this.

Sometimes QT is stressful on fish. You also have an anthias that can be be pretty agressive in there.

 

[Taylor]

Well as of today he was traded for credit at lfs so if that is the underlying problem then It shouldn't be moving forward. I also built an eggcrate divider, all incoming fish if not purchased singly will be separate from the other at least for a time. Hopefully eliminating a few variable's.

I will continue nfg for at least another week if the Wrasse hangs on that Long.

 

[HotRocks]

Well I think my yellow flanked is not going to make it. Even after removing him to my second qt and 3rd day treatment of nfg he has lost 5 more scales and it has spread to his dorsal, he has it clamped and scales on the other side look loose. I wish I knew exactly what it was. Why I had two wrasses have it in a row months apart from the same vendor and very similar in family of Wrasse. I have had such bad luck with fish lately. I use cycled qts and do very frequent water changes with good flow and plenty of hiding places. They always eat for a few days then something comes up like this and they don't make it. This Wrasse is going on 4 weeks, its been a slow decline. With this order I also had a Ruby Longfin who seemed perfectly fine for a week then boom, dead overnight. Everything is unexplainable. The orange back who lost his scales came with an exquisite Wrasse who is absolutely fine and made it to DT no problems. The yellow flanked and Ruby longfin were qted with that anthia who is just fine still. There is no consistency to this.

I just had a Uronema outbreak in a tank that had a green bird wrasse that was losing scales. Was there any redness near this scale loss?

 

[Taylor]

Yes, at the area of lost scales. That was mentioned earlier in the thread, however it was felt that uronema usually kills faster than 4 weeks. What treatment would you plan for that?

 

[HotRocks]

10 days of Metroplex. Dosed every other day.

 

[wangspeed]

This guy is my only success story so far when it comes to this issue. Not 100% sure it was the same disease. There’s a chance his was only. Physical wound that did not involve the same pathogen(s).

I forget what I used on him. Honestly, I think I went light because I wasn’t expecting him to survive. Copper and maybe metro soaked food.

 

[Taylor]

I picked/handled the yellow flanked Wrasse as he has been hiding for 2 days. He is breathing hard and scales all over his body are becoming loose/discolored. The blue tint of the water does not allow for a good picture. But I would say he has some sort of infection that is all throughout the body and one area is blood red where the initial problem started.

Im not using an air stone with treatment but I am using a good size power filter as well as a power head aimed at the surface so the agitation is ample. I have a cat who chews air lines so I switched to power heads.

I do not think he will make it through the night. I've decided both Qt tanks must be sterilized and restarted.

I couldn't have overdosed nfg and caused symptoms to be worse? I read that I could do water change every 48hrs instead of 24. I am redosing every 24 as I understand the medication does not last long but the water does still become bluer. @Humblefish

 

[Humblefish]

I couldn't have overdosed nfg and caused symptoms to be worse? I read that I could do water change every 48hrs instead of 24. I am redosing every 24 as I understand the medication does not last long but the water does still become bluer. @Humblefish

I've gotten lazy with the WCs when using NFG (48 hrs), but have never noticed any ill effects. The amount of MB found in NFG is well below the maximum threshold.

 

[HotRocks]

I also do WCs every 48. I do perform a 50% at 48 instead of 25% every 24. For what it's worth.

Can you upload some pics of this fish? It sounds like it may be something that is not bacterial.

 

[Taylor]

I took some pics. He is breathing very hard, laying on his side. He let me handle with no issue. The lines down his body for sensory? They are blood red. I think it's a blood infection. He will not eat. He declined more in the action's I've taken to treat him then the 2+ weeks prior that I did nothing unfortunately.

 

[Humblefish]

NFG isn't healing that?! I wonder if it could be uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

The MB found in NFG could be helping with uronema, but its probably not a strong enough medication to completely eliminate those parasites.

 

[Taylor]

Since starting nfg, I count 10 scales now on the tank bottom. It's moving over to the otherside if you can see in the photos. How likely is it that he is oxygen deprived at 80 degrees F and with the two pumps agitating the surface? I have a cat that's why I use power heads over air stones. He loves those plastic lines. I've slowly been lowering heat. I treated with the furan/metro/kano Trifecta for 3 days prior to moving him to nfg tank.

 

[HotRocks]

NFG isn't healing that?! I wonder if it could be uronema: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

The MB found in NFG could be helping with uronema, but its probably not a strong enough medication to completely eliminate those parasites.

My thoughts exactly, which is why I asked for a pic.

I think Metroplex is needed here.

 

[Taylor]

I used all of the Metroplex I had for the 3 days that I could. I've ordered both Metroplex and acriflavine. I just finished breaking down one of the two tanks. I have more fish coming that i planned to put into one of the free tanks before I moved the Wrasse. It will be nice to stats with a clean slate except for ammonia. I almost should try to push those orders back. Don't know if they would.

I turn the temp down for the wrasse and increased surface agitation by moving the pump to create some cavitation on the surface. See if he survives the night.

 

[Huskymaniac]

I don't think its uronema but if it is it's likely already spread internally and it's going to be to late to treat at this point anyways. The timing really doesn't fit uronema and I think you have something else going on likely some.combination of mechanical injuries and stress with a bacterial infection. The fact that the fish was doing okay until.you decided to start treating with stuff should also be telling.