Heart Broken

[RamsReef]

I had a lot of nice fish in my QT.

1 pintail
1 lubocks
1 carpenter
1 blue flasher
1 powder brown
2 x tailspots
2 x watchmen
1 engineer goby (rescue)
1 cleaner wrasse

everything was going good, 3 weeks into CP.
All fish eating, greeting me, really heartbreaking.
I noticed one of the wrasse breathing heavy staying at bottom of tank, suspected flukes. I did a round of general cure. Canadian govt has banned prazi without a vet prescription. I didn't have enough to do another round. Wrasse still looked bad so I decided tonuse some old prazipro I had.
Yesterday the wrasse that had issues and the other flasher dead.
Decided to abort the qt and figure out whats going on.
50% WC, Carbon, Air, Uv.
This morning Tang, 1 watchmen, both tailspots dead.

Bathed remaining fish in ruby reef ralley, moved them all to another qt tank that I keep cycled.

Pintail and Lubocks dead.

Just the cleaner wrasse, and 1 eng gobie, watchmen goby remain.

I have no idea whats going on, no flukes from fw dip that I know of.

On top of it I ended up breaking my daughters colarbone last night wrestling.

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I dont know what I missed.

 

[JaimeAdams]

Sorry for your lose

 

[Frtdrmrose7]

I wonder if the old Prazi played a part in the second half, how were you aerating the water? I’m sorry for your loss.

 

[RamsReef]

Skimmer normally and overflow, tank was a 40 gal all in one deal, after the first loss I put in 2 airstones.

 

[RamsReef]

Looks like velvet on eng goby :/

 

[ngoodermuth]

Flasher wrasses don’t do well in CP Fairy wrasses are fine, but I have a feeling that’s why the two flashers were struggling initially.

When you removed the CP, it’s possible if there is velvet... it got it’s foothold on the remaining fish.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Do you have a picture of the engineer goby?

 

[Retro Reefer]

Sorry for your losses, hope your daughter is doing ok.. collarbone fractures are one of the most painful injuries you will ever have, broke mine wrestling in high school over 40 years ago and it still makes me cringe at the thought of the pain I endured.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Sorry for your losses, hope your daughter is doing ok.. collarbone fractures are one of the most painful injuries you will ever have, broke mine wrestling in high school over 40 years ago and it still makes me cringe at the thought of the pain I endured.

My stepson broke his playing football... he was miserable Takes a while to heal too, he was so bummed he couldn’t really play anything (besides video games) for months...

I agree, I hope she’s ok!

 

[RamsReef]

Determined.

Thanks for the kind words.

My CP is probably not good or my levels were bad from the media in there (more likely)

Poor fish, poor wallet.

Hopefully I prevent spread into my main tank.

I still have mine and 5/6 arms of my families health

 

[4FordFamily]

How were you handling ammonia?

What size was the QT tank?

Sorry for your loss

 

[RamsReef]

40 gal, Some biosporia and sponges, always cycled.

I think ill have to switch to copper and hanna if I want to keep the media, no way to test cp levels.

I hope this is the end of my expensive lesson.

That and Im never qting that many expensive fish at once.

 

[Retro Reefer]

Determined.

Thanks for the kind words.

My CP is probably not good or my levels were bad from the media in there (more likely)

Poor fish, poor wallet.

Hopefully I prevent spread into my main tank.

I still have mine and 5/6 arms of my families health

They don’t have her in a brace? Hopefully her injury isn't real bad then.. I had to wear something like this for months, it pulls shoulders back to aline clavicle for proper healing.

 

[RamsReef]

To small for what they had at hospital, did some reading braces don't work better than just a sling, there was a study dome on it.

 

[ngoodermuth]

Biospira and other biofilter enhancers can actually consume CP Not that we shouldn’t use them, because ammonia is a serious danger in QT... but it’s something to keep in mind.

Here’s humble’s write-up regarding bio-film and it’s effect on QT medications:
QT and Biofilm
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?sh...p?threads/QT-and-Biofilm.292878/&share_type=t

I use biospira in my QT with CP, but also bump up my dosage to 60mg instead of 40mg to account for it. And I usually end up performing several waterchanges to control ammonia anyway, which means the CP is refreshed slightly with each change since I dose the volume going back in.

I’m also comfortable running at a slightly higher dosage since I use two QT tanks. Run 14 days in the first with either CP or copper, then transfer to the other, sterile unmedicated QT without lowering or removing the copper/cp from the first. So if my fish do lose appetite or become a bit lethargic, they only have two weeks to get through.

But yea, I’ve QT’d fish using both... and copper definitely has it’s merits over CP in that you can be SURE the level is consistent. If you are planning more flasher wrasses, I would definitely go that route since they tend not to do well in CP in general.

 

[Captain Quint]

Determined.

Thanks for the kind words.

My CP is probably not good or my levels were bad from the media in there (more likely)

Poor fish, poor wallet.

Hopefully I prevent spread into my main tank.

I still have mine and 5/6 arms of my families health

Aww...bless her heart. I'm sorry to read about everything going on.

 

[4FordFamily]

Biospira and other biofilter enhancers can actually consume CP Not that we shouldn’t use them, because ammonia is a serious danger in QT... but it’s something to keep in mind. I did use biospira in my QT recently, but also bumped up my dosage to 60mg instead of 40mg to account for it. And performed several waterchanges to control ammonia anyway, which means my CP was refreshed slightly with each change since I dosed the volume going back in.

I’m also comfortable running at a slightly higher dosage since I use two QT tanks. Run 14 days in the first with either CP or copper, then transfer to the other, sterile unmedicated QT without lowering or removing the copper/cp from the first. So if my fish do lose appetite or become a bit lethargic, they only have two weeks to get through.

But yea, I’ve QT’d fish using both... and copper definitely has it’s merits over CP in that you can be SURE the level is consistent. If you are planning more flasher wrasses, I would definitely go that route since they tend not to do well in CP in general.

I use prime with CP. Fairy and flasher wrasse are quite sensitive to ammonia IME. I would skip the biofilter on CP because it can degrade it, we just use prime in lieu of, and dose daily.

Sorry again for the losses

 

[RamsReef]

Biospira and other biofilter enhancers can actually consume CP Not that we shouldn’t use them, because ammonia is a serious danger in QT... but it’s something to keep in mind. I did use biospira in my QT recently, but also bumped up my dosage to 60mg instead of 40mg to account for it. And performed several waterchanges to control ammonia anyway, which means my CP was refreshed slightly with each change since I dosed the volume going back in.

Here’s humble’s write-up regarding bio-film and it’s effect on QT medications:
QT and Biofilm
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?share_fid=1020&share_tid=292878&url=https://www.reef2reef.com/index.php?threads/QT-and-Biofilm.292878/&share_type=t

I’m also comfortable running at a slightly higher dosage since I use two QT tanks. Run 14 days in the first with either CP or copper, then transfer to the other, sterile unmedicated QT without lowering or removing the copper/cp from the first. So if my fish do lose appetite or become a bit lethargic, they only have two weeks to get through.

But yea, I’ve QT’d fish using both... and copper definitely has it’s merits over CP in that you can be SURE the level is consistent. If you are planning more flasher wrasses, I would definitely go that route since they tend not to do well in CP in general.

I use prime with CP. Fairy and flasher wrasse are quite sensitive to ammonia IME. I would skip the biofilter on CP because it can degrade it, we just use prime in lieu of, and dose daily.

Sorry again for the losses

Yes, had I known velvet I would have moved them to my 20 gal lockdown tank in garage.

Just thought it was flukes.

Also my work sched does not aford me the whole wc ammonia deal.

I'm home 1 week out of town the next.

 

[ngoodermuth]

I use prime with CP. Fairy and flasher wrasse are quite sensitive to ammonia IME. I would skip the biofilter on CP because it can degrade it, we just use prime in lieu of, and dose daily.

Sorry again for the losses

Of course, this is much easier lol I’m just in such a habit of NOT using prime with copper I never think to use it with other meds... [emoji848]

 

[4FordFamily]

Of course, this is much easier lol I’m just in such a habit of NOT using prime with copper I never think to use it with other meds... [emoji848]

Yeah it took @Humblefish to tell @HotRocks and I to do this... I was the same way!