Heavy breathing magnificent foxface

[Humblefish]

Is he still breathing heavily, staying at the surface? Or just not eating??

 

[Utkarsh]

Is he still breathing heavily, staying at the surface? Or just not eating??

Still breathing heavy, is lethargic and is not eating. Hovers in one position and remains at bottom.

 

[Humblefish]

Still breathing heavy, is lethargic and is not eating. Hovers in one position and remains at bottom.

A 30 min MB bath might help him "settle down" and address the possibility of ammonia burn: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

If nothing else, it will increase O2 transport (which it sounds like he needs right now), and MB is also a mild antiparasitic + antibacterial.

But after the bath, I would get on with raising Cupramine just in case this is velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/

 

[Utkarsh]

A 30 min MB bath might help him "settle down" and address the possibility of ammonia burn: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/methylene-blue.257467/

If nothing else, it will increase O2 transport (which it sounds like he needs right now), and MB is also a mild antiparasitic + antibacterial.

But after the bath, I would get on with raising Cupramine just in case this is velvet: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/velvet-amyloodinium-ocellatum.217570/

I dont have MB at the moment, i only have cupramine. Should i dose cupramine right now? Prazipro already in qt, i will get MB tomorrow first thing in the morning. The fish is very critical, if cupramine will give it respite for the night, i dont want to wake to see it dead.

 

[GoldeneyeRet]

I would double check ammonia level, make sure oxygenation is sufficient then do others suggested and give meth blue bath then treat as velvet. Did you perform fw dop on a dark container or look VERY carefully for flukes? How long was fw dip?.

Your salinity is fine. Your acclimatization sounds great, far better than doing a drip. Ammonia, low O2, flukes and velvet would be my main suspects.

 

[Humblefish]

I dont have MB at the moment, i only have cupramine. Should i dose cupramine right now? Prazipro already in qt, i will get MB tomorrow first thing in the morning. The fish is very critical, if cupramine will give it respite for the night, i dont want to wake to see it dead.

What do you mean by "critical"? If he is in really bad shape, copper will likely kill him and you'll need to stabilize his condition beforehand.

 

[Utkarsh]

I would double check ammonia level, make sure oxygenation is sufficient then do others suggested and give meth blue bath then treat as velvet. Did you perform fw dop on a dark container or look VERY carefully for flukes? How long was fw dip?.

Your salinity is fine. Your acclimatization sounds great, far better than doing a drip. Ammonia, low O2, flukes and velvet would be my main suspects.

One sponge filter, one wavemaker and one hob running at this tank atm. Imo this much aeration is more than sufficient.
Performed FW dip for 5mins followed each and every procedure in humblefish's FW post.

 

[Utkarsh]

What do you mean by "critical"? If he is in really bad shape, copper will likely kill him and you'll need to stabilize his condition beforehand.

The symptoms/behaviour that i stated to you in pm.

 

[Utkarsh]

What do you mean by "critical"? If he is in really bad shape, copper will likely kill him and you'll need to stabilize his condition beforehand.

Are the symptoms stated, normal or fall in the category of "critical". Should i go on and use cupramine or wait for MB?

 

[Humblefish]

The symptoms/behaviour that i stated to you in pm.

Moving the fish to a smaller QT, and dosing one of the following might help to stabilize him: Methylene Blue, Nitrofuracin Green Powder, Ruby Reef Rally, Quick Cure/Formalin (dose 2 drops per gallon if using 37% formaldehyde).

But if you don't have access to any of those (I realize it's Sunday) then raising copper on him becomes your only viable option here. (You've already done the 5 min FW dip which would have shown flukes if present and which should have provided some relief for velvet.) But doing nothing and waiting until tomorrow sounds like a death sentence ... so not much to lose by trying copper at this point.

 

[Utkarsh]

Moving the fish to a smaller QT, and dosing one of the following might help to stabilize him: Methylene Blue, Nitrofuracin Green Powder, Ruby Reef Rally, Quick Cure/Formalin (dose 2 drops per gallon if using 37% formaldehyde).

But if you don't have access to any of those (I realize it's Sunday) then raising copper on him becomes your only viable option here. (You've already done the 5 min FW dip which would have shown flukes if present and which should have provided some relief for velvet.) But doing nothing and waiting until tomorrow sounds like a death sentence ... so not much to lose by trying copper at this point.

Should i increase it(cupramine) as it states in the usage or increase it rapidly? I mean should i increase alternatively or increase it to therapeutic level within 2-3 days?

 

[ScooterV]

Utkarsh, where are you located? Any reef clubs in your area that are at least marginally active? Many of us are always willing to share meds when needed, if you have a local club.

 

[Utkarsh]

Utkarsh, where are you located? Any reef clubs in your area that are at least marginally active? Many of us are always willing to share meds when needed, if you have a local club.

I am from India, in my country marine fishes and corals are banned, hence marine hobby isnt widespread nor common. It is very difficult to get beautiful fishes, it took me 4 months to get magnificent foxface, as you have to literally search for sellers. Hence, it is difficult to get things in here.
Freshwater hobby is the thing that is common here.

 

[Gareth elliott]

I have used methylene blue for freshwater. If talk to anyone on that side of the hobby.

 

[brwaldbaum]

Hydrogen peroxide is a viable alternative here. It will supersaturate the water with oxygen far better than an air pump could, and it will lower the parasite load, if there are gill parasites.

 

[Humblefish]

Should i increase it(cupramine) as it states in the usage or increase it rapidly? I mean should i increase alternatively or increase it to therapeutic level within 2-3 days?

I would get it to therapeutic within 48 hours.

Hydrogen peroxide is a viable alternative here. It will supersaturate the water with oxygen far better than an air pump could, and it will lower the parasite load, if there are gill parasites.

What dosage do you use and what percentage H202? How long is the bath? I've been meaning to experiment with hydrogen peroxide more.

 

[brwaldbaum]

What dosage do you use and what percentage H202? How long is the bath? I've been meaning to experiment with hydrogen peroxide more.

To a fish-only display tank containing rocks, substrate, and two velvet-infected dwarf angels, I added enough 3% hydrogen peroxide to achieve a concentration of approximately 100ppm. After a brief induction period, vigorous bubbling from all surfaces of the tank was noticeable. Most of the bubbling ceased after 4 hours (that may be due to the fact that I was running activated carbon, which, purportedly, catalyzes the decomposition of hp). By the next morning, the fish still had white spots but were breathing normally and had an appetite. I transferred them to a qt for a 6 hour formalin bath, followed by a freshwater/peroxide dip. The fish were returned to the display tank, which had been bleached and re-seeded with bacteria-in-a-bottle.

Amyloodinium amyloo-deadium.

 

[Utkarsh]

Moving the fish to a smaller QT, and dosing one of the following might help to stabilize him: Methylene Blue, Nitrofuracin Green Powder, Ruby Reef Rally, Quick Cure/Formalin (dose 2 drops per gallon if using 37% formaldehyde).

But if you don't have access to any of those (I realize it's Sunday) then raising copper on him becomes your only viable option here. (You've already done the 5 min FW dip which would have shown flukes if present and which should have provided some relief for velvet.) But doing nothing and waiting until tomorrow sounds like a death sentence ... so not much to lose by trying copper at this point.

I gave the magnificent foxface MB dip as you had stated, returned hik back to the tank. I am gradually increasing copper and will reach therepeutic level by tomorrow.
But he is still breathing quite heavily not accepting any food. And has turned all black, plus his upper lip is having some kind of wound or chipping imo.
Will the foxface get respite only when the copper level reaches therepeutic level? Not before that, i mean to say i am adding copper, it should have showed some signs of improvement.
Secondly, is there some food foxface just cant say no to, no matter what. I will find and give that to him.
Here are some pics

 

[Humblefish]

To a fish-only display tank containing rocks, substrate, and two velvet-infected dwarf angels, I added enough 3% hydrogen peroxide to achieve a concentration of approximately 100ppm. After a brief induction period, vigorous bubbling from all surfaces of the tank was noticeable. Most of the bubbling ceased after 4 hours (that may be due to the fact that I was running activated carbon, which, purportedly, catalyzes the decomposition of hp). By the next morning, the fish still had white spots but were breathing normally and had an appetite. I transferred them to a qt for a 6 hour formalin bath, followed by a freshwater/peroxide dip. The fish were returned to the display tank, which had been bleached and re-seeded with bacteria-in-a-bottle.

The problem is which treatment - hydrogen peroxide, exposure to freshwater or formalin - provided the most benefit... All 3 have been documented as capable of removing velvet trophonts from a fish.

FYI; The iDip Photometer can utilize 3 different Hydrogen Peroxide reagents for testing purposes: https://sensafe.com/exact-idip/

I have one of their photometers, but haven't really explored it's full use yet.

Will the foxface get respite only when the copper level reaches therepeutic level? Not before that, i mean to say i am adding copper, it should have showed some signs of improvement.

Copper will only protect him from reinfection and only once a therapeutic level (0.4 mg/L for Cupramine) has been achieved. The MB bath should have provided some immediate relief.

 

[brwaldbaum]

The problem is which treatment - hydrogen peroxide, exposure to freshwater or formalin - provided the most benefit...

The fish were breathing very heavily before peroxide treatment but normally after.