Help with CBF

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

so I need help with what to do with my copperband butterfly fish.. she's a new addition but I have watched the tank for 24 hours on and off and no one seems to be going near her.. today I wake up to see her like this.. is it something picking on her? One side is worse than the other.. What should I do from here.. of course @Humblefish @melypr1985 you know it's never a dull moment in My tanks.. lol
Stock I have
1 Scopias Tang
2 phantom clowns
1 blue damsal
1 adult engineer goby
1 Coral bandit shrimp
1 6 line wrasse
1 black blenny
1 sally light foot

Maritimer · May 28, 2017

Given that it's on both sides, I tend to suspect an injury of some sort - she may have gotten wedged between two rocks or some such. I'd be remiss, however, if I didn't bring up the possibility of uronema. Usually associated with Chromis, but it's a bad lad, uronema is . . .

HumbleFish's write-up on Uronema marinum is here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

In either case, a bacterial infection is very possible, and would be best treated with antibiotics in a QT.

~Bruce

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

Maritimer said:
Given that it's on both sides, I tend to suspect an injury of some sort - she may have gotten wedged between two rocks or some such. I'd be remiss, however, if I didn't bring up the possibility of uronema. Usually associated with Chromis, but it's a bad lad, uronema is . . .

HumbleFish's write-up on Uronema marinum is here: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/uronema-marinum.247940/

In either case, a bacterial infection is very possible, and would be best treated with antibiotics in a QT.

~Bruce

I have furon 2 metroplex and kanaplex
Which one would you use or a combination

Maritimer · May 28, 2017

I've got a regal angelfish who's just coming out of antibiotic treatment. For her, I used Furan-2 and Kanaplex, and also dosed Metroplex/Praziquantel together a couple of times, in the form of "General Cure".

After more than ten days of that, she's still got an issue with one eye, but it seems to be clearing.

If it's an injury, it _may_ clear on its own. I've seen fish that were hit by sharks go on to have a full recovery, with only a bit of scarring, with no treatment at all.

For now, I'd be tempted to watch closely, and allow her to recover on her own unless I saw symptoms of bacterial infection, or the injury appeared to be getting worse.

If she's come down with Uronema, I'd for sure use the Metroplex.

But that's just me . . .

~Bruce

melypr1985 · May 28, 2017

These butterflies are very prone to bacterial infections. They are so thin that it often appears on both sides of their bodies. Fast action is required to have a chance to save them. An acriflavin dip may help arrest the bacteria long enough for the meds to help. Either the triple threat of Kanaplex, Furan2 and metroplex OR something like Erythromycin Or even better is the NGP (nitrofuricin green powder) -- not that I spelled that right at all. lol

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

melypr1985 said:
These butterflies are very prone to bacterial infections. They are so thin that it often appears on both sides of their bodies. Fast action is required to have a chance to save them. An acriflavin dip may help arrest the bacteria long enough for the meds to help. Either the triple threat of Kanaplex, Furan2 and metroplex OR something like Erythromycin Or even better is the NGP (nitrofuricin green powder) -- not that I spelled that right at all. lol

So do you think I should leave her in the dt like @Maritimer suggested or put her in qt and start treatment

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

melypr1985 said:
These butterflies are very prone to bacterial infections. They are so thin that it often appears on both sides of their bodies. Fast action is required to have a chance to save them. An acriflavin dip may help arrest the bacteria long enough for the meds to help. Either the triple threat of Kanaplex, Furan2 and metroplex OR something like Erythromycin Or even better is the NGP (nitrofuricin green powder) -- not that I spelled that right at all. lol

And what does it look like to you

melypr1985 · May 28, 2017

The pictures don't really give a clear view of what it might be (either a scrape or infection), though if it's a scrape then it very well could get infected quickly. Feed with vitamins for now and watch very carefully. Be ready to transfer to QT asap and treat if you need to, the moment you need to.

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

melypr1985 said:
The pictures don't really give a clear view of what it might be (either a scrape or infection), though if it's a scrape then it very well could get infected quickly. Feed with vitamins for now and watch very carefully. Be ready to transfer to QT asap and treat if you need to, the moment you need to.

Ok.. do you want me to get another picture

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

melypr1985 said:
The pictures don't really give a clear view of what it might be (either a scrape or infection), though if it's a scrape then it very well could get infected quickly. Feed with vitamins for now and watch very carefully. Be ready to transfer to QT asap and treat if you need to, the moment you need to.

And I can't find nitrofuracin green powder

Sistawolf · May 28, 2017

@melypr1985

Maritimer · May 28, 2017

I can see lifted scales on the forward part of the abrasion, do they look like they were roughed up, or are they possibly being pushed outward by fluid pressure under her skin?

That pink, abraded area below her eyespot - does it look more like a kid's skinned knee, or more fuzzy/furry/out-of-focus?

Those are some of the things I'd be looking at to make the judgement call about whether to try to move her into QT.

How is her feeding response? I'm seeing some contours that indicate that she's a bit thin, even for a copperband.

~Bruce

Sistawolf · May 29, 2017

Maritimer said:
I can see lifted scales on the forward part of the abrasion, do they look like they were roughed up, or are they possibly being pushed outward by fluid pressure under her skin?

That pink, abraded area below her eyespot - does it look more like a kid's skinned knee, or more fuzzy/furry/out-of-focus?

Those are some of the things I'd be looking at to make the judgement call about whether to try to move her into QT.

How is her feeding response? I'm seeing some contours that indicate that she's a bit thin, even for a copperband.

~Bruce

It looks likes lifted scales and the abrasion looks a brownish scabbed burned looking area

Sistawolf · May 29, 2017

Maritimer said:
I can see lifted scales on the forward part of the abrasion, do they look like they were roughed up, or are they possibly being pushed outward by fluid pressure under her skin?

That pink, abraded area below her eyespot - does it look more like a kid's skinned knee, or more fuzzy/furry/out-of-focus?

Those are some of the things I'd be looking at to make the judgement call about whether to try to move her into QT.

How is her feeding response? I'm seeing some contours that indicate that she's a bit thin, even for a copperband.

~Bruce

She did eat a little and it looks like she may have backed up between rocks which did this.. the other side is "lifted scales like this side but no spot

Sistawolf · May 29, 2017

I just don't understand how in a 6 hour period while I was sleeping she looks like she's been in a war lol

Maritimer · May 29, 2017

Like any injury, it can happen in the blink of an eye. She gets startled by something (Is she like my yellow longnose butterfly, sleeping in the open at night?), rushes blindly into the liverock, and gets her dorsal ridge jammed between two pieces. The ensuing struggle to free herself probably took all of ten seconds. Maybe three.

It's like having kids, sometimes!

~Bruce

melypr1985 · May 29, 2017

Yeah, looking at those pictures and knowing how fragile these guys are, I would go ahead and remove to QT with antibiotics. At least with kanaplex until those abrasions heal.

Sistawolf · May 29, 2017

melypr1985 said:
Yeah, looking at those pictures and knowing how fragile these guys are, I would go ahead and remove to QT with antibiotics. At least with kanaplex until those abrasions heal.

I woke up this morning and she has went to fish heaven;(

Maritimer said:
Like any injury, it can happen in the blink of an eye. She gets startled by something (Is she like my yellow longnose butterfly, sleeping in the open at night?), rushes blindly into the liverock, and gets her dorsal ridge jammed between two pieces. The ensuing struggle to free herself probably took all of ten seconds. Maybe three.

It's like having kids, sometimes!

~Bruce

Isn't that the truth lol.. can't turn your head for one second. I woke up to my apex alarm going crazy and my baby passed away..
thank you both for your help

you guys are the best!!