Hippo tang symptoms

juicemanatx · Jun 27, 2017

Humblefish said:
Copper only for 30 days then.

Should I use the cupramine I have or go pickup some coppersafe?

Humblefish · Jun 27, 2017

juicemanatx said:
Should I use the cupramine I have or go pickup some coppersafe?

I personally prefer Coppersafe, but Cupramine works too if you maintain 0.5 mg/L for 30 days. I think many Cupramine failures are due to people skirting the minimum therapeutic level too closely. 0.5 gives you some wiggle room in case it suddenly drops.

juicemanatx · Jul 5, 2017

Humblefish said:
I personally prefer Coppersafe, but Cupramine works too if you maintain 0.5 mg/L for 30 days. I think many Cupramine failures are due to people skirting the minimum therapeutic level too closely. 0.5 gives you some wiggle room in case it suddenly drops.

I picked up some coppersafe and started treatment. I don't see much change.

I picked up an API test since it's the only one I found locally and it says I'm right over .5 mg/l.

Should i just leave that alone?

melypr1985 · Jul 5, 2017

juicemanatx said:
I picked up some coppersafe and started treatment. I don't see much change.

I picked up an API test since it's the only one I found locally and it says I'm right over .5 mg/l.

Should i just leave that alone?

Coppersafe has a therapeutic level of 2ppm. You'll need to raise it up.

juicemanatx · Jul 5, 2017

juicemanatx said:
I picked up some coppersafe and started treatment. I don't see much change.

I picked up an API test since it's the only one I found locally and it says I'm right over .5 mg/l.

Should i just leave that alone?

Ok, so if the recommended dose on the bottle put me at .07, then I should do at least another full dose?

melypr1985 · Jul 5, 2017

juicemanatx said:
Ok, so if the recommended dose on the bottle put me at .07, then I should do at least another full dose?

You need to add copper to the tank slowly and test each time before and after until you get to 2ppm. Then hold it there for 30 days.

Butitor · Jul 5, 2017

I went to this when i started to this hobby five years ago, I have same mates of fishes as you do. When tangs and clowns together in a poor unstable water parameters this always happened, ether one will start the problem. I used Paraguard from Seachem (www.seachem.com/paraguard.php) works great for me without harmful effect on my inverts and some corals that i have those days.
Just follow the instruction and do a 20% water change every three days until everything back to normal. Run a UV sterilizer to kill the free floating parasites at the same time. Taking care two or more hippo tangs needs a huge filtration system to keep them healthy, then adding a cleaner shimp will help them a lot. Hippo tangs always hungry and poop like a duck, they will nip on soft corals when nothing to eat. i feed mine 4X a day.

juicemanatx · Jul 5, 2017

Butitor said:
I went to this when i started to this hobby five years ago, I have same mates of fishes as you do. When tangs and clowns together in a poor unstable water parameters this always happened, ether one will start the problem. I used Paraguard from Seachem (www.seachem.com/paraguard.php) works great for me without harmful effect on my inverts and some corals that i have those days.
Just follow the instruction and do a 20% water change every three days until everything back to normal. Run a UV sterilizer to kill the free floating parasites at the same time. Taking care two or more hippo tangs needs a huge filtration system to keep them healthy, then adding a cleaner shimp will help them a lot. Hippo tangs always hungry and poop like a duck, they will nip on soft corals when nothing to eat. i feed mine 4X a day.

I was doing paraguard on the original QT before all of those happened. It clearly got through.

juicemanatx · Jul 10, 2017

I'm testing copper levels with a Salifert and API and getting different readings... which should I trust?

Also, my yellow Tang has developed Popeye. Can I dose anti bacterial along with the coppersafe?

Humblefish · Jul 10, 2017

juicemanatx said:
I'm testing copper levels with a Salifert and API and getting different readings... which should I trust?

When dosing Coppersafe, use the API test kit.

juicemanatx said:
Also, my yellow Tang has developed Popeye. Can I dose anti bacterial along with the coppersafe?

You can dose antibiotics in conjunction w/Coppersafe.

But is the Popeye in one eye or both?

juicemanatx · Jul 10, 2017

Humblefish said:
When dosing Coppersafe, use the API test kit.

You can dose antibiotics in conjunction w/Coppersafe.

But is the Popeye in one eye or both?

One is worse than the other but they both have it.

Humblefish · Jul 10, 2017

juicemanatx said:
One is worse than the other but they both have it.

That's a bacterial infection starting up then.

I advise dosing antibiotics (preferably erythromycin + minocycline) to combat it: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/antibiotics.283711/

juicemanatx · Jul 12, 2017

Humblefish said:
That's a bacterial infection starting up then.

I advise dosing antibiotics (preferably erythromycin + minocycline) to combat it: https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/antibiotics.283711/

I started the bacterial treatment, he was dead this morning... :/

Humblefish · Jul 12, 2017

juicemanatx said:
I started the bacterial treatment, he was dead this morning... :/

Sorry to hear this.

Bacterial infections often need to be caught early on in order for treatment to be effective.

juicemanatx · Jul 13, 2017

I'm moving the Angel, Foxface, and Blenny to the tank that will be treated with CP.

Now it's just the Hippo and the Melanarus in the Copper QT.

juicemanatx · Jul 20, 2017

Well... still think it's Velvet?

He's been in Copper for like 3 weeks?!

@Humblefish
@aykwm

juicemanatx · Jul 20, 2017

juicemanatx said:
Well... still think it's Velvet?

He's been in Copper for like 3 weeks?!

@Humblefish

@melypr1985

4FordFamily · Jul 20, 2017

juicemanatx said:
Well... still think it's Velvet?

He's been in Copper for like 3 weeks?!

@Humblefish
@aykwm

The earlier photos were almost certainly velvet. That is ich on the fish, potentially velvet as well if I look closely.

I would get another test kit, something is amiss!

melypr1985 · Jul 20, 2017

juicemanatx said:
Well... still think it's Velvet?

He's been in Copper for like 3 weeks?!

@Humblefish
@aykwm

Be sure to look read the test from the top, not the side. That looks like a combination of ich and velvet almost. Though, I'm still certain velvet is in play here.

If it's still there, then we have to look at your QT practices. When you do a water change are you adding copper the new water before adding it to the QT? Have you used any equipment at all in other tanks and this one? Even just a turkey baster or spoon when feeding? Wet hands going from one tank to another? Is this tank within 10 feet of any other tanks?

juicemanatx · Jul 20, 2017

melypr1985 said:
Be sure to look read the test from the top, not the side. That looks like a combination of ich and velvet almost. Though, I'm still certain velvet is in play here.

If it's still there, then we have to look at your QT practices. When you do a water change are you adding copper the new water before adding it to the QT? Have you used any equipment at all in other tanks and this one? Even just a turkey baster or spoon when feeding? Wet hands going from one tank to another? Is this tank within 10 feet of any other tanks?

The food I use I've just been pouring in. It never touches a tank.

It is within 10 ft of other tanks

All tanks have Tops.

I haven't done a water change on this tank as it's always shown safe on then ammonia meter.

All the fish were together about a week ago during a rally dip since some of them were being moved to a tank being treated with CP.

This Hippo is the only one in Copper now.

The fish in CP show no signs of Ich or Velvet.