How do you keep sand clean

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What is the best depth of sand? ...I have about 4" of sand ...except where the fish move it around and stack it into piles about 6" or 7" high. I have it deep so snails and fish can dig in it, but being that deep it hides a lot of rock.
I think you depth is ok. Shallower would be better for cleaning but if the animals are happy your good.
I did a lot of research on sandbeds and sub-straits years ago. A true Dsb is as dr schemek calls it mud. Oolitic sand 4 to 6 deep. Some larger grains higher up.

One of our local reefers posted his tank on the boards here and was flamed for using sand from the beach. When I did the research I found nothing bad about using it except organics and critters. Silica and silicates don't leach from it from my research. By leech your saying rock actual stone is dissolving in a tank. If you look at the op pics it's really not that bad. if it was leaching or dissolving it would real bad.

when we say rock in this hobby we are actually wrong in most cases. its not a rock its a skeleton. your live rocl or sand could be only 20 to 50 years old. its porious and elements are likely easily dissolved.
some folks have massive diatom blooms due to silicates. this in theory could be because the "rock" is quite young from an area with a higher silicate content and is more easily dissolved, and depending on what manmade salt is being used the ph is such the elements are easily pulled out.(btw i have never had a diatom bloom, I have natural seawater, possible correlation there.)

I have some "rock" that (sqeeee) I turned over and saw several round "gems" literally the staghorn branches were so old it had petrified and become gemlike(round purple white center like a geode) and then been encrusted over by other corals. That rock is VERY old and is rock, or stone. thats not likely to dissolve. Its also not too likely to be porous enough for bacterial colonization either but its wicked cool.

Crushed coral and live sand is crushed coral skeleton and is porous allowing lots of places for bacteria to live. So with general beach sand Id treat it more like a bare bottom and make sure there is another place for bacteria to do there job like extra live rock in the sump or sand in the fuge etc.....

With Florida beach sand. Different story. Beautiful white sandy beaches. Lots of stony corals being eaten by massive schools of fish that chew the stony corals to digest the algea and animal matter off of it and then poop it out nice and clean and white. Dont believe me? google it.
So Florida beach sand is much better to use than southern california sand for sure, but still not bad.

So this still applies.
good bacterial population
not over feeding
good flow to keep food and poo in suspension to go to
a good skimmer
a refugium or nutrient export plan
a vacuum.
And Id say as its cyano in the pic and not algae, its likely PO bound to the sand fueling its growth, as organics would grow algae more freely. IME.
And Im pretty sure silica doesnt grow algae either.
 
I have problems with this also, and I do vaccum my sand when I do water changes and it still comes back within a day or two.
 
I have problems with this also, and I do vaccum my sand when I do water changes and it still comes back within a day or two.
the thing about Po. it binds to rock and sand. so once it has been built up, you have to try a more agressive approach to pulling it out/off the thing its bound to. This is what Randy has tought me.
so even if your Po removal method is maintaining the amount being produced, its not able to do the catch up work of getting the exess out.
so you can dump the sand and start over or SLOWLY ramp up your Po removal method your using now.

I had to rescue my 30g recently, and thats what I had to do.
 
I have a thick sand bed, 4 inches, and I use 2 tiger conch and a sand sifter starfish.....my sand has never looked better
 
Calcium carbonate is like a DI Unit for phosphate. It binds it up, then after itt saturated, it releases it. You are beginning to get to the later stage. It only gets worse.

Sand sucks. But if you insist on using it, I strongly suggest using lanthanum chloride.
 
I use sand sifting stars :)

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Carbon dosing helped me with keeping the sand clean. Initially biopellets helped my numbers go lower (phosphate and nitrate) but then I experienced a bit of a cyno bloom that went away when I switched to echobak (sp?) pellets. I got frustrated with every biopellet reactor, they jam once the pelletts get small... so I've switched to dosing vinegar and the sand is back to being clear. Slow and steady with the change and vacuum it out with every water change - one day you'll realize it's gone.
 
Calcium carbonate is like a DI Unit for phosphate. It binds it up, then after itt saturated, it releases it. You are beginning to get to the later stage. It only gets worse.

I can't believe how underemphasized this is in the hobby. Biggest problem for 50%+ of reefers.

Carbon dosing helped me with keeping the sand clean. Initially biopellets helped my numbers go lower (phosphate and nitrate) but then I experienced a bit of a cyno bloom that went away when I switched to echobak (sp?) pellets. I got frustrated with every biopellet reactor, they jam once the pelletts get small... so I've switched to dosing vinegar and the sand is back to being clear. Slow and steady with the change and vacuum it out with every water change - one day you'll realize it's gone.

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I have the same issues with my sand
I'm slowly removing the old fine sand vacuum it out and replacing it with aragonite
I think the problem will be the type of sand you use and the ato water
 
I have a Fluval 305 canister filter from my first tank setup. I'm planning to rig it up as a detritus vac. So I can use the intake and a long tube to vacuum off rocks, etc., then use the output side to blow into areas I can't reach, stir up the junk, and suck it in to the filter. Call it a poo remover. I'll have to see how well it'll work as a sand vac - get a long enough tube so I don't get sand, just the lighter gunk out of it.
 
I have a Fluval 305 canister filter from my first tank setup. I'm planning to rig it up as a detritus vac. So I can use the intake and a long tube to vacuum off rocks, etc., then use the output side to blow into areas I can't reach, stir up the junk, and suck it in to the filter. Call it a poo remover. I'll have to see how well it'll work as a sand vac - get a long enough tube so I don't get sand, just the lighter gunk out of it.
you can pick up a sand gravel vac and stub it in. works quite well.
Pretty much what Paul B does with a diatom filter.
 

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