How safe is Hydrogen Peroxide

[reefndude]

Side effects I've noticed is my zoas close up for about a hour. Sps no change at all. I have directly targeted spots of algae on same rock with acros out of the tank. Peroxide has rolled on to encrusting areas of a few pieces. I just set it back into tank.
Done as much as triple recommended dosage. I have also dosed to much before and few pieces browned out on me. Never lost anything dosing perixide.
This is just my experience.

 

[brandon429]

my experience is also the same. Here is 35% addition, habituated the entire system with the stenopus as well to brief drain and treats. got mean in order to beat gelidium algae, and mean sure worked. I documented a blast run of say three mils 35% onto a mushroom coral, totally immune, and another few mils pumped here and there for general spot runs. id leave drained say 15 mins cooking, refill, then wc again then one last refill and doing this slowly adapted my entire reef at 9 yrs old to powerful peroxide only to see how strong it could take. nearly all online work, and results, are off 3%

safety
the 35% is a big deal. instant corneal blanching of the eye, no second chance, is a must for goggles. If you get some on your hand you'll be fine and that will self correct soon enough... But for eyes you just cant play.

its avail at healthfood stores to anyone, so its not like back alley chem lol they sell it as a bath additive to soak in.

its not necessary in 99% of jobs, 3% is ok. This is for misbehaving invaders and experimental notes only but I was willing to put my old pico reef on the line to test peroxide predictability.

the video doesn't imply peroxide is right for all or any issues, its more a demonstration of known tolerant species being adapted to their max oxidizer tolerances. the 3% work safety margin is nicely highlighted by a much stronger 35% run, this starts to ask what are the true upper limits for exposure imo

and the side effect was zero algae heh, its 35%:

 

[Triggreef]

my experience is also the same. Here is 35% addition, habituated the entire system with the stenopus as well to brief drain and treats. got mean in order to beat gelidium algae, and mean sure worked. I documented a blast run of say three mils 35% onto a mushroom coral, totally immune, and another few mils pumped here and there for general spot runs. id leave drained say 15 mins cooking, refill, then wc again then one last refill and doing this slowly adapted my entire reef at 9 yrs old to powerful peroxide only to see how strong it could take. nearly all online work, and results, are off 3%

safety
the 35% is a big deal. instant corneal blanching of the eye, no second chance, is a must for goggles. If you get some on your hand you'll be fine and that will self correct soon enough... But for eyes you just cant play.

its avail at healthfood stores to anyone, so its not like back alley chem lol they sell it as a bath additive to soak in.

its not necessary in 99% of jobs, 3% is ok. This is for misbehaving invaders and experimental notes only but I was willing to put my old pico reef on the line to test peroxide predictability.

the video doesn't imply peroxide is right for all or any issues, its more a demonstration of known tolerant species being adapted to their max oxidizer tolerances. the 3% work safety margin is nicely highlighted by a much stronger 35% run, this starts to ask what are the true upper limits for exposure imo

and the side effect was zero algae heh, its 35%:

Brandon, just wondering if you have any peroxide experiences with ich? I read a lot of your posts, just wondering because I've read some studies about using peroxide to treat ich. They used high concentrations which yielded immediate results however the first also died. Never saw any one try lower dose over longer periods though.

 

[brandon429]

Trigg I'd be happy to read anything along those lines out of sheer interest in what the compound does but that would be news to me, tomont burning thats sheer rock n roll. Until it gets tested in the forums its not qualified yet imo

one plus in its favor is that we know of no common reef tank fish that would be sensitive to the test (unlike lysmata, the top known sensitive)

there will always be new grounds avail, never know which norm we have to test and push through to find new paths.

 

[Triggreef]

Trigg I'd be happy to read anything along those lines out of sheer interest in what the compound does but that would be news to me, tomont burning thats sheer rock n roll. Until it gets tested in the forums its not qualified yet imo

one plus in its favor is that we know of no common reef tank fish that would be sensitive to the test (unlike lysmata, the top known sensitive)

there will always be new grounds avail, never know which norm we have to test and push through to find new paths.

I'll find the article and PM it to you. Sorry for the thread jack!

 

[Cory]

Heres a link to ICH and hydrogen peroxide treatment
https://aquariumbook.wordpress.com

 

[brandon429]

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-07/sp/feature/index.htm

Trigg that is very neat to see and not a thread jack at all imo, its relevant information to the original thread topic I bet Raven w think its neat to at least see it being applied to marine animals.



Raven seemed to be inquiring about general safety limits and they've posted some for fish which I've not seen before
300 ppm per this work.

Given that's only for the species involved in Toonens article reference, but this link has set some known safe limits using scientific methods and thats very appropriate here imo and news to me.

Cory
thanks for posting supportive info regarding ich, I'd not heard of that before these readings. That posting is more of a personal blog but it remarks on application doses informally and again shows really diverse use for peroxide. Finding any formal work with peroxide inside aquaria is so rare I'm happy to have been given the links to read.

 

[RavenSF]

I finally got around to taking everything out of the tank and tossing all the old sand, rock and water. I wiped everything down and sprayed all visible surfaces with 3% hydrogen peroxide. I then added clean dry sand and rock that had been cycling in a separate container. Hopefully this approach rids me of bryopsis.

I returned the fish to the aquarium a few hours later once the water was warm enough along with the snails. I placed all the shrimp in a separate QT so they won't be affected by the peroxide. How long before I can add the shrimp back to the system?

 

[brandon429]

Our previous posters were able to add back next day no prob. If I had to estimate how quickly before next day I'd say 8 hours ish

 

[Russ265]

Our previous posters were able to add back next day no prob. If I had to estimate how quickly before next day I'd say 8 hours ish

this is close enough. according to orp 12 hours.

ive had chemistry people tell me half a week, however i believe whatever potency is gone after 12 hours. 8 id be confident in as well.

 

[Kaba]

I had a bad hair algae problem a while ago, and I used H2O2 pretty successfully. I would take a rock out into a separate bucket with tank water, rip off as much algae as I could, scrub it with a toothbrush, rinse it with some tank water, then use a syringe to squirt H2O2 on the algae. Let it sit for a few minutes out with it bubbling, then give it another rinse and into the bucket (all rinses were over the bucket) for a few minutes. One last rinse and back in. Did a rock every day and no one cared. I tried dosing the entire tank, and even got pretty high (30ml in a 20 gallon) but it would die back and just fuel itself, that's why I had to take them out one by one.
I started getting it again in my 55 recently (20 moved into that) and since I didn't want to take the rock out I spot treated in the tank. I'd turn all the pumps off for 10 minutes, and spot treat with a syringe 30ml a day. Algae died back pretty good, stopped growing on the glass and my frag rack, and corals didn't care (mixed reef). Even hit some algae under some SPS pieces, with oxygen bubbles coming up past the branches (but made sure not to hit them directly). Didn't seem to mind. Even tried and squirted it straight onto blue mushrooms and GSP, and they didn't seem bothered...further evidence supporting my theory that you cannot kill blue mushrooms or GSP.

 

[danny_m1]

The peroxide will affect your BTAs so be careful. I also had a plug with blondies and hair algae. I put the plug in a small cup with 1:4 ratio of peroxide to saltwater and not RODI. I left them there for literally 10 minutes and grabbed the plug out after to tooth brush the zoas ( they took the new tooth brush like a champ.) It did affect my coralline on the frags for sure extensively. Don't worry about the zoos bubbling they opened up less than a day later on top of that. The peroxide also worked for my sun coral. I hope the peroxide usage gains more traction overall in regards to the ick tomont life cycle. I feed my fish like crazy and use over the counter metronidazole for the ick, but it works unbelievably so.

 

[RavenSF]

Thanks, I appreciate all the feedback. I'll add the shrimp back tomorrow. Fingers crossed the algae stays away. It gave me a chance to replace the sand with a kind I like better and I like the aquascape more with the new rock. I lost some corals in all this chaos, but I saved ones I had sentiment for.

When things go south in our tanks, it's easy to get sucked into a downward spiral. When this algae got bad and after my initial attempts to fight it failed, I neglected maintenance and lost interest. What finally snapped me out of it was my fish. I've still got my original YWG and pistol shrimp from 2009 when I got my first nano cube. I will hopefully keep better focused the next time something goes wrong.

 

[mayanreefer71]

I just dipped corals in HP and scrubbed with toothbrush and now everybody looks horrible. Will my chalices ever recover???

 

[mayanreefer71]

I just dipped corals in HP and scrubbed with toothbrush and now everybody looks horrible. Will my chalices ever recover???

 

[mayanreefer71]

I just dipped corals in HP and scrubbed with toothbrush and now everybody looks horrible. Will my chalices ever recover???

 

[mayanreefer71]

Dipped my Reefapalooza corals with HP and gave then a little scrubdown with a toothbrush and now everybody looks horrible. Crap...smh Hoping my chalices pull thru...dang

 

[Kaba]

You dipped in straight 3% H2O2? How long? I've dipped frags before, maybe 30 seconds, and they faired ok but did look bad for a few days. I'd definitely dilute if I did it again. All the peroxide treatments I do now are while in the tank, so any algae gets a full blast but anything else gets a diluted dose.

 

[mayanreefer71]

I will NEVER dip any corals in HP ever again! So far my chalices have all lost alot of coloration, my zoas still closed after 24 hrs and my 2 higher end chalices look atrocious. Both have lost nearly all resemblance of flesh....
Called WWC in Orlando and they told me they never dip their corals at their facility or recommend dipping corals to anybody....WHAT???? I am soooo totally and completely bummed out. Basically burned $300....Reefapalooza 2018 has totally been destroyed for me right now...whatever

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Sorry to hear how they look.

At this point I don't have a recommendation except watching and hoping.

Keep us updated.

 

[brandon429]

am curious do you have a thread link that said to put the peroxide on the corals, where did the procedural info come from for this tank

 

[cracker]

I'd also like to see info on dipping corals in peroxide. Iv'e heard it done before for killing algae close to corals & killing vermitids snails also.
That was a very interesting article Trigger !
This is a good thread ! Let us know how it worked fro you. Iv'e done spot scrub& H202 treatment on bubble worked great hasn't returned but bleached all coraline.